AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked?          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Military Aircraft View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Henry J Cobb Guest Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked? http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123007145 For an operation like Iraqi Freedom, General Moseley told committee members that the Air Force's ability to strike was in part because of American presence in the region for nearly 12 years and U.S. access to nearby bases. In testimony submitted for the record, the general said that type of access might not always be available to the U.S. military... Darn permission slips. Never around when you need them. ....One concern of the committee was the possibility of U.S. technology being leaked to adversaries because of liberal licensing of Joint Strike Fighter technology to subcontractors. General Moseley said the JSF program office is aware of the issue. So the F/A-22 is safer because nobody wants it? -HJC Back to top t_mark Guest Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked? Quote: So the F/A-22 is safer because nobody wants it? Yes, nobody "wants" it. That's the reason. Just like China doesn't "want" an aircraft carrier. Back to top Thomas Schoene Guest Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:29 am    Post subject: Re: F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked? Henry J Cobb wrote: Quote: ...One concern of the committee was the possibility of U.S. technology being leaked to adversaries because of liberal licensing of Joint Strike Fighter technology to subcontractors. General Moseley said the JSF program office is aware of the issue. So the F/A-22 is safer because nobody wants it? No, it means the JSF program has to worry about firewalling its key technology. This is nothing new; we've been worrying about this ever since the F-16 (if not earlier). It has little to do with F/A-22, except that JSF uses technology from the older design (such as radar) that has to be protected. BTW: Congress's main conern on this is really industry not adversaries. The main reasons they raise these concerns are pressures form certain suppliers who want to be protected form foreign second-sourcing. That's why we get idiotic stuff like the sweeping restrictions on foreign technology acquisition (under the "buy America" guise) that Congress tried to impose recently. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) Back to top Chad Irby Guest Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked? In article <EJn2c.17177$Pc.6782@okepread02>, "t_mark" <none (AT) none (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: So the F/A-22 is safer because nobody wants it? Yes, nobody "wants" it. That's the reason. Just like China doesn't "want" an aircraft carrier. ....or four. -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. Back to top Henry J Cobb Guest Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked? Thomas Schoene wrote: Quote: Henry J Cobb wrote: ...One concern of the committee was the possibility of U.S. technology being leaked to adversaries because of liberal licensing of Joint Strike Fighter technology to subcontractors. General Moseley said the JSF program office is aware of the issue. So the F/A-22 is safer because nobody wants it? No, it means the JSF program has to worry about firewalling its key technology. This is nothing new; we've been worrying about this ever since the F-16 (if not earlier). It has little to do with F/A-22, except that JSF uses technology from the older design (such as radar) that has to be protected. BTW: Congress's main conern on this is really industry not adversaries. The main reasons they raise these concerns are pressures form certain suppliers who want to be protected form foreign second-sourcing. That's why we get idiotic stuff like the sweeping restrictions on foreign technology acquisition (under the "buy America" guise) that Congress tried to impose recently. http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/P-38.htm In March 1940 the British Purchasing Commission ordered 143 of the first production model of the P-38, but the State Department prohibited export of the F2 Allison engine. The British aircraft - designated the "Lightning 1" - was therefore given early C15 engines lacking turbochargers, and was a failure - the RAF eventually rejecting it. -HJC Back to top Keith Willshaw Guest Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked? "Henry J Cobb" <hcobb (AT) io (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Thomas Schoene wrote: Henry J Cobb wrote: ...One concern of the committee was the possibility of U.S. technology being leaked to adversaries because of liberal licensing of Joint Strike Fighter technology to subcontractors. General Moseley said the JSF program office is aware of the issue. So the F/A-22 is safer because nobody wants it? No, it means the JSF program has to worry about firewalling its key technology. This is nothing new; we've been worrying about this ever since the F-16 (if not earlier). It has little to do with F/A-22, except that JSF uses technology from the older design (such as radar) that has to be protected. BTW: Congress's main conern on this is really industry not adversaries. The main reasons they raise these concerns are pressures form certain suppliers who want to be protected form foreign second-sourcing. That's why we get idiotic stuff like the sweeping restrictions on foreign technology acquisition (under the "buy America" guise) that Congress tried to impose recently. http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/P-38.htm In March 1940 the British Purchasing Commission ordered 143 of the first production model of the P-38, but the State Department prohibited export of the F2 Allison engine. The British aircraft - designated the "Lightning 1" - was therefore given early C15 engines lacking turbochargers, and was a failure - the RAF eventually rejecting it. An urban legend. The BPC requested that it be supplied with the same engine as the P-40 so as to allow a single source of spares. It failed to meet Lockheed's promised perfomance with that engine which is why it was rejected. Keith Back to top Alan Minyard Guest Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: F/A-22 is needed because the F-35 will be leaked? On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 07:30:40 -0800, Henry J Cobb <hcobb (AT) io (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123007145 For an operation like Iraqi Freedom, General Moseley told committee members that the Air Force's ability to strike was in part because of American presence in the region for nearly 12 years and U.S. access to nearby bases. In testimony submitted for the record, the general said that type of access might not always be available to the U.S. military... Darn permission slips. Never around when you need them. ...One concern of the committee was the possibility of U.S. technology being leaked to adversaries because of liberal licensing of Joint Strike Fighter technology to subcontractors. General Moseley said the JSF program office is aware of the issue. So the F/A-22 is safer because nobody wants it? -HJC No, a lot of countries want it, we will not sell it to them. The technologies involved are highly secret . The few countries that we could trust with the F-22 can not afford it. 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