AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Escapade versus Eurofox          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Light aircraft View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Fly Yurr Guest Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:16 pm    Post subject: Escapade versus Eurofox A friend is looking at both of these LSA's for a prospective kit purchase. Eurofox is an Avid derivative and costs much less than the Escapade. The Escapade claims to be much faster, on the same 80HP Rotax. Numbers fudged a little maybe? Anybody here have any experience with either of these? http://www.eurofox-usa.com/ http://www.justaircraft.com/CMS/ Thanks. Back to top Jez Guest Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Escapade versus Eurofox "Fly Yurr" <jls1016 (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote Quote: A friend is looking at both of these LSA's for a prospective kit purchase. Eurofox is an Avid derivative and costs much less than the Escapade. The Escapade claims to be much faster, on the same 80HP Rotax. Numbers fudged a little maybe? Anybody here have any experience with either of these? http://www.eurofox-usa.com/ http://www.justaircraft.com/CMS/ Thanks. As part designer of the Escapade, I have to declare an interest. I have no commercial connection to Just Aircraft or Reality Aircraft though, as I did the work pretty much on a hobby basis. The Escapade performance figures were derived from many tens of hours of independent flight tests by a qualified test pilot as part of the UK BCAR Section S microlight approval process. They refer to calibrated airspeed and are accurate to within about 1kt of the actual performance of the aircraft at different weights. These performance figures are on www.realityaircraft.com, the UK manufacturers site, and differ slightly from the figures quoted by the US manufacturer, Just Aircraft. The maximum weight that the Escapade has been certified to is 499kg at +4g, -2g, but it has reserve strength in the primary structure to go to about 530kg safely at these g limits. Using the US +3.8g upper limit the gross weight can be increased to about 558kg. In the UK the microlight version is limited to 450kg gross to comply with the UK microlight weight limit. Typical empty weights of builders aircraft are coming out at about 262 - 264kg for the 912 engined versions and a few kg's lighter for those with the Jabiru 2200. In my view, the Jabiru is the better engine. It's cheaper, simpler to install, gives adequate performance and sounds great. It's also proved to be very reliable. The worst engine is probably the 912S, as it tends to vibrate and doesn't give any reall worthwhile performance gain. The turbocharged 914 is almost certainly too heavy unless tail ballast is fitted. I note that Just Aircraft offer this engine, but as the guy that did the original stress calcs and dimensional design with regard to structural loading and C of G I disagree with them. The UK manufactured version of the Escapade will soon be approved to CS-VLA, the European light aircraft airworthiness standard. Hope this helps, but remember I may not be a neutral adviser! Back to top Fly Yurr Guest Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Escapade versus Eurofox Thanks and I will send this nice essay on to the prospective purchaser, who has visited the factory at Walhalla several times. Back to top sigmatero@yahoo.com Guest Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: Escapade versus Eurofox If you're big at all or plan to carry anyone that is big then the Escapade (or Highlander) is the hands down winner. I'm 6'7" and 250# and fit fine sitting next to another guy almost my size. Plus it's a US company. Joa Fly Yurr wrote: Quote: Thanks and I will send this nice essay on to the prospective purchaser, who has visited the factory at Walhalla several times. Back to top Jez Guest Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Escapade versus Eurofox <sigmatero (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: If you're big at all or plan to carry anyone that is big then the Escapade (or Highlander) is the hands down winner. I'm 6'7" and 250# and fit fine sitting next to another guy almost my size. Plus it's a US company. Joa And a part-UK company, and part-UK designed, and UK approved. Oh, it';s also manufactured in the UK as well.................... 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