AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Error analysis and correction          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Sailplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Martin Gregorie Guest Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:48 pm    Post subject: Error analysis and correction I've just found the following reference on comp.risks: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s1529677.htm It looks at the possibilities of applying aviation-style accident prevention to medicine and contains a good, thought-provoking review of what it is that we do to promote and maintain the aviation safety culture. -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | org | Zappa fan & glider pilot Back to top Andy Guest Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Error analysis and correction Interesting read, thanks. Andy Back to top wby0nder@aol.com Guest Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Error analysis and correction How many times has your instructor said "Ah, I'm glad you did that" when you screwed up. I believe that approach to error compensation will help keep us alive as well as welcome more people to the sport. Matt Michael Quote: From the article: "Jim Reason: Oh yes, even the best ones have bad days. It's really quite hard to be good all the time, but yes, one of the things that perhaps is lacking in surgical training is the mentor who hopes that you'll make a mistake across the table, and say, 'Ah, I'm glad you did that; now I can tell you how to fix it'. In other words, to watch people make errors, then to teach them how to repair, to compensate. People who will tell you the ways of error." Back to top 309 Guest Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Error analysis and correction I would hope that during my open heart surgery, the surgeon AND his apprentice have studied the various and typical mistakes IN ADVANCE, since the mistake could cost a life (e.g., mine), whereas the usual training mistake in an aircraft usually has a 500 foot margine from a fatal accident...at least the ones where my instructor said "I'm glad you did that..." Usually when we were 200 feet from becoming an accident and I made a mistake, my instructor's USUAL response was "I'VE GOT IT!!!" Still, a good read, thanks! FWIW, Risk MANAGEMENT has been the approach in many Flight Test Organizations (where we do stupid things to prove the airplane will work in extremis, so the line pilot doesn't have to). There are studies under way to also work on THREAT Management, a slightly different flavor ("How close do I want to get to that other glider, mountain, etc."). -Pete Back to top Andy Guest Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: Error analysis and correction Yes that bit struck a chord with me. I went grey giving tail wheel instruction (it could have been a chronological coincidence). I never wanted to sign anyone off that did perfect landings every time. The mark of a competent tailwheel pilot is how they handle the inevitable botched landing. Andy Back to top 309 Guest Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Error analysis and correction Andy wrote: Quote: The mark of a competent tailwheel pilot is how they handle the inevitable botched landing. Andy I did one of those today!!! Well, depending on how you count the bounces, maybe it was more than one landing. C-180, springy gear...and I didn't have a good enough body ship (booster cushion). No damage, except to my ego perhaps. It pays to remember that different taildraggers have different ways of biting you... -Pete Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Sailplanes All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.