AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Epic LT Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Owning Airplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Flyingmonk Guest Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Epic LT Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that. When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not that. Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits. Anyone have more info on it? Thanks, Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone Back to top City Dweller Guest Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT http://www.epicaircraft.com I saw it too, wonderful machine. "Flyingmonk" <chaisone (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that. When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not that. Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits. Anyone have more info on it? Thanks, Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone Back to top Flyingmonk Guest Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT Dude! Thanks a bunch for the link. Very sleek looking. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone Back to top Darkwing (Badass) Guest Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT "City Dweller" <city (AT) dweller (DOT) com> wrote Quote: http://www.epicaircraft.com I saw it too, wonderful machine. "Flyingmonk" <chaisone (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1126090698.238006.26100 (AT) z14g2000cwz (DOT) googlegroups.com... Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that. When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not that. Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits. Anyone have more info on it? Thanks, Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone That is a very nice looking plane, the jet design is very cool as well, I bet the prop plane isn't cheap. --------------------------------------- DW Back to top Jimbob Guest Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:15:52 -0500, "Darkwing (Badass)" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: That is a very nice looking plane, the jet design is very cool as well, I bet the prop plane isn't cheap. --------------------------------------- DW If the pricing link has a "Contact us for pricing information" form, you'd better be sitting down when you get the response. I filled out one of those forms once and actually had some bozo tell me he'd sell his software package outright for $1,000,000 or 10% of my companies gross revenue. *Blink* Jim http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org Back to top Flyingmonk Guest Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT The article in Aiplane mag saids below two mil. Back to top Kyle Boatright Guest Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Re: Epic LT "Flyingmonk" <chaisone (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Anyone else read the ariticle/seen the pictures on the Epic LT in Pilot Magazine? That is one SEXY machine. It is made by AIR, LLC. I think AIR stands for Aviation Investment and Research or something like that. When my ship comes in, I'm gonna get me something like that, if not that. Wow, just couldn't get over how beautiful it looks, a Ferrari in the Sky. I tried to Google for more info on it, but got no hits. Anyone have more info on it? Thanks, Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone The Epic folks have run into a bit of a brick wall. Their current program is that you bring them a check for the better part of $1,000,000 and you get to assemble your "Experimental/Amateur built" airplane in their factory with their "factory assistance". Unfortunately, the FAA denied the initial "homebuilt" Epic's certification, using the rationale that they didn't believe the aircraft met the 51% rule. I.E. they thought the customer more or less paid Epic to build it for him. So, we have a guy who owns an uncertifiable airframe that he's paid a million dollars for. Also, there are 3 or 4 other aircraft on the assembly line at the factory assistance center. Those customers are probably more or less screwed too. Epic says it plans to certify the aircraft, but little work has been done towards that goal. Without the income from their "Experimental/ Amateur built" sales, I have doubts about their ability to keep the doors open through the certification process... KB Back to top Flyingmonk Guest Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Epic LT I thought I remember the article saying that they are going through certification or has gone through certification. I'll dig it up tomorrow. If they need money, I'll buy a few shares. I bet many others will also, I think they have a very good product. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone Back to top Kyle Boatright Guest Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: Epic LT "Flyingmonk" <Laonork (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I thought I remember the article saying that they are going through certification or has gone through certification. I'll dig it up tomorrow. If they need money, I'll buy a few shares. I bet many others will also, I think they have a very good product. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone Lots of companies plan to certify their aircraft, but it is a very expensive and time consuming process. Ask the folks at Eclipse or the folks who have the push me pull you twin and a jet version of the same airframe. Unless you're very well funded, certification is a huge barrier to entering the GA market. My thoughts are that Epic planned to use the cash generated by kit sales to fund certification. Unfortunately for them, that isn't going to happen. Not only does that hurt their cashflow, it has to make investors scratch their heads and wonder "If they screwed up the kit business this bad, can they succeed in the certified market?" My guess is they don't have a lot of investors beating down the doors these days. In addition, they probably have to worry about their 4 or 5 customers (the ones who spent a million bucks on the Epic kit) suing them for failing to keep their promises regarding the finished kits being certifiable as Experimental/Amateur Built. If MY million bucks was sitting in Epic's shop and it was obvious that it would never leave the ground due to certification issues, I'd be all over them to recover my $... KB Back to top Darkwing (Badass) Guest Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT "Flyingmonk" <Laonork (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: The article in Aiplane mag saids below two mil. That is one expensive Turbo Prop. ---------------------------------------------- DW Back to top Darkwing (Badass) Guest Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT "Kyle Boatright" <kboatright1 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "Flyingmonk" <Laonork (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1126143778.845456.137240 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... I thought I remember the article saying that they are going through certification or has gone through certification. I'll dig it up tomorrow. If they need money, I'll buy a few shares. I bet many others will also, I think they have a very good product. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone Lots of companies plan to certify their aircraft, but it is a very expensive and time consuming process. Ask the folks at Eclipse or the folks who have the push me pull you twin and a jet version of the same airframe. Unless you're very well funded, certification is a huge barrier to entering the GA market. Just wait until China decides to build "certified" aircraft. I deal with Chinese built automotive stuff daily, it is shit. --------------------------------------------------- Dw Back to top Flyingmonk Guest Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT I guess you have never heard of the Yaks and the Chinese made Migs, not as bad as one might guess. Back to top Flyingmonk Guest Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Epic LT Sure is expensive : ^). Too much for by blood, but maybe one day... Back to top George Patterson Guest Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:17 am    Post subject: Re: Epic LT Darkwing (Badass) wrote: Quote: I deal with Chinese built automotive stuff daily, it is shit. I deal with Chinese-built carpentry tools daily, and they're not. George Patterson Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks. Back to top Flyingmonk Guest Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Epic LT Some things made in china are decent, some are not. The SCUDD missiles wre not, the AK rounds worked find. Most things they make are a 'good bang for the buck', no pun intended. They have proven to have made decent aircrafts, although most, if not all are Russian copies, including the SCUDD missile and the AK 47. 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