AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Engine Analyzers Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Owning Airplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message M.E. Borner Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:15 pm    Post subject: Engine Analyzers I am seriously thinking about installing an Engine Analyzer in my plane and am looking at options. I think I have narrowed the choice to J.P. Instruments or Electronics International. My mechanic has more experience with JPI and feels their probes have a longer life. My research has me leaning slightly towards EI for price, function and design features. Really I am on the fence and am looking for something substantive to sway me. If it matters, this will be installed in a 1999 Seneca V with Continental TSIO-360-RB (220HP Turbocharged) engines. Does anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? Maybe I should do 1 of each (just kidding). Back to top Dave Butler Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers M.E. Borner wrote: Quote: I am seriously thinking about installing an Engine Analyzer in my plane and am looking at options. I think I have narrowed the choice to J.P. Instruments or Electronics International. My mechanic has more experience with JPI and feels their probes have a longer life. My research has me leaning slightly towards EI for price, function and design features. Really I am on the fence and am looking for something substantive to sway me. If it matters, this will be installed in a 1999 Seneca V with Continental TSIO-360-RB (220HP Turbocharged) engines. Does anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? Maybe I should do 1 of each (just kidding). I don't have a dog in this fight, but there's this: http://home.earthlink.net/~timrv6a/jpi.html Dave Remove SHIRT to reply directly. Back to top MikeM Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers M.E. Borner wrote: Quote: I am seriously thinking about installing an Engine Analyzer in my plane and am looking at options. I think I have narrowed the choice to J.P. Instruments or Electronics International. My mechanic has more experience with JPI and feels their probes have a longer life. My research has me leaning slightly towards EI for price, function and design features. Really I am on the fence and am looking for something substantive to sway me. If it matters, this will be installed in a 1999 Seneca V with Continental TSIO-360-RB (220HP Turbocharged) engines. Does anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? Maybe I should do 1 of each (just kidding). I put a EI UBG-16 in my Skylane in 2000. (6 chts, 6 egts, oil temp, bus voltage, alternator load current). Works great, no problems with probes. Biggest technical challenge was getting the brightness of the display to track the main dimmer bus. It sure shows what a SHITTY job Cessna did when they "designed" the cowling/baffling in my L model Skylane. I have improved the cht balance greatly with some added baffling. Front two chts are still 40 deg F colder than the back four. It also shows how POOR the mass-flow balance between the front and rear cyclinders is on the Continental O470R. Due to the brain-dead induction plumbing, the front two cyl get much less fuel/air than the other four. MikeM Skylane '1MM Back to top Kyler Laird Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers Quote: I don't have a dog in this fight, but there's this: http://home.earthlink.net/~timrv6a/jpi.html That's what convinced me to get a GEM (Insight). I've been quite happy with it. *Do* get an engine analyzer. They're a good investment. My plane just came out of annual when I flew it to PJY last month. On the descent, I noticed that both temps on one of my cylinders had dropped. With some great help from Michael, I learned that both plugs had fouled. I'm sure I wouldn't have noticed it without the analyzer. --kyler Back to top Dale Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers In article <7f47238e.0406040615.65850483 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>, [email]bornerm (AT) spraylat (DOT) com[/email] (M.E. Borner) wrote: Quote: I am seriously thinking about installing an Engine Analyzer in my plane and am looking at options. I think I have narrowed the choice to J.P. Instruments or Electronics International. My mechanic has more experience with JPI and feels their probes have a longer life. My research has me leaning slightly towards EI for price, function and design features. Really I am on the fence and am looking for something substantive to sway me. If it matters, this will be installed in a 1999 Seneca V with Continental TSIO-360-RB (220HP Turbocharged) engines. Does anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? Maybe I should do 1 of each (just kidding). I put one of the EI boxes in my 182 in '93. It was the older style...not a graphic display. It worked well and was worth the money spent on it. Over about 500 hours I replaced 3 EGT probes. Customer service was great, I'd call and order a probe...it would be in Alaska 2 days later...about $80/probe. -- Dale L. Falk There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing around with airplanes. http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html Back to top Michelle P Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers Hi, I have had a Insight GEM in my Maule for the past nine years. no problems with the unit. It did help me locate a bridged plug quickly though. Michelle M.E. Borner wrote: Quote: I am seriously thinking about installing an Engine Analyzer in my plane and am looking at options. I think I have narrowed the choice to J.P. Instruments or Electronics International. My mechanic has more experience with JPI and feels their probes have a longer life. My research has me leaning slightly towards EI for price, function and design features. Really I am on the fence and am looking for something substantive to sway me. If it matters, this will be installed in a 1999 Seneca V with Continental TSIO-360-RB (220HP Turbocharged) engines. Does anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? Maybe I should do 1 of each (just kidding). -- Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P "Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike) Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity Back to top Dan Luke Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers "M.E. Borner" wrote: Quote: anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? My JPI EDM-700 has been flawless for the 18 mos. it's been in the airplane. It has the fuel flow option which I highly recommend. An engine analyzer is a great trouble shooting and mixture setting tool; I'd hate to do without one now. -- Dan C172RG at BFM Back to top Victor J. Osborne, Jr. Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers Had both (now have EDM JPI-700.) Check out JPI's new series (legal replacement for steam gauges in a few planes.) I like the operation of the JPI better. User interface seems better to me, FWIW. Had good support with both. Although, I did have to replace two probes from the EI. If you need (or plan) a block heater, get this sorted out beforehand. The EI or JPI probes will need to co-exist with the CHT/heater probes. For this reason I have a Reiff system (bands, no probes) -- Thx, {|;-) Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr. [email]VOsborne2 (AT) charter (DOT) net[/email] take off my shoes to reply Back to top Ray Andraka Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers If you put LASAR ignition on, you'll also need to share the probe port with the CHT probe for the LASAR controller, as well as if you have a factory CHT, you may need to keep that in it's probe well. "Victor J. Osborne, Jr." wrote: Quote: Had both (now have EDM JPI-700.) Check out JPI's new series (legal replacement for steam gauges in a few planes.) I like the operation of the JPI better. User interface seems better to me, FWIW. Had good support with both. Although, I did have to replace two probes from the EI. If you need (or plan) a block heater, get this sorted out beforehand. The EI or JPI probes will need to co-exist with the CHT/heater probes. For this reason I have a Reiff system (bands, no probes) -- Thx, {|;-) Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr. [email]VOsborne2 (AT) charter (DOT) net[/email] take off my shoes to reply -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email [email]ray (AT) andraka (DOT) com[/email] http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Back to top jls Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers "Victor J. Osborne, Jr." <VOsborne2 (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Had both (now have EDM JPI-700.) Check out JPI's new series (legal replacement for steam gauges in a few planes.) I like the operation of the JPI better. User interface seems better to me, FWIW. Had good support with both. Although, I did have to replace two probes from the EI. If you need (or plan) a block heater, get this sorted out beforehand. The EI or JPI probes will need to co-exist with the CHT/heater probes. For this reason I have a Reiff system (bands, no probes) -- Thx, {|;-) Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr. [email]VOsborne2 (AT) charter (DOT) net[/email] take off my shoes to reply Thanks for your input and I like JPI too. But, what I need costs over $5,000 and that's a little hefty when you consider that Rocky Mountain Instruments, a very reputable company with a good track record, provides quality monitoring for much less money. Of course, the system I would be purchasing is for an experimental. Back to top Ray Andraka Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers In that case, look at the Epic engine monitoring and control system from unison. It's got the engine monitor and an advanced FADEC engine control wrapped up in one package. Not allowed on factory builts yet. jls wrote: Quote: "Victor J. Osborne, Jr." <VOsborne2 (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote in message news:10c1kauf4innhc2 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... Had both (now have EDM JPI-700.) Check out JPI's new series (legal replacement for steam gauges in a few planes.) I like the operation of the JPI better. User interface seems better to me, FWIW. Had good support with both. Although, I did have to replace two probes from the EI. If you need (or plan) a block heater, get this sorted out beforehand. The EI or JPI probes will need to co-exist with the CHT/heater probes. For this reason I have a Reiff system (bands, no probes) -- Thx, {|;-) Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr. [email]VOsborne2 (AT) charter (DOT) net[/email] take off my shoes to reply Thanks for your input and I like JPI too. But, what I need costs over $5,000 and that's a little hefty when you consider that Rocky Mountain Instruments, a very reputable company with a good track record, provides quality monitoring for much less money. Of course, the system I would be purchasing is for an experimental. -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email [email]ray (AT) andraka (DOT) com[/email] http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Back to top M.E. Borner Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers Thanks for the info. Just as an off topic aside, are you based at Westair at White Plains? That is where I am and I recall a Cessna 1MM (white/blue/tan). Is that you? MikeM <trashcan (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: M.E. Borner wrote: I am seriously thinking about installing an Engine Analyzer in my plane and am looking at options. I think I have narrowed the choice to J.P. Instruments or Electronics International. My mechanic has more experience with JPI and feels their probes have a longer life. My research has me leaning slightly towards EI for price, function and design features. Really I am on the fence and am looking for something substantive to sway me. If it matters, this will be installed in a 1999 Seneca V with Continental TSIO-360-RB (220HP Turbocharged) engines. Does anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? Maybe I should do 1 of each (just kidding). I put a EI UBG-16 in my Skylane in 2000. (6 chts, 6 egts, oil temp, bus voltage, alternator load current). Works great, no problems with probes. Biggest technical challenge was getting the brightness of the display to track the main dimmer bus. It sure shows what a SHITTY job Cessna did when they "designed" the cowling/baffling in my L model Skylane. I have improved the cht balance greatly with some added baffling. Front two chts are still 40 deg F colder than the back four. It also shows how POOR the mass-flow balance between the front and rear cyclinders is on the Continental O470R. Due to the brain-dead induction plumbing, the front two cyl get much less fuel/air than the other four. MikeM Skylane '1MM Back to top MikeM Guest Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers M.E. Borner wrote: Quote: Thanks for the info. Just as an off topic aside, are you based at Westair at White Plains? That is where I am and I recall a Cessna 1MM (white/blue/tan). Is that you? Nope, SLC, Ut see: http://home.utah.edu/~mgm17160/OneMM.jpg Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers [email]bornerm (AT) spraylat (DOT) com[/email] (M.E. Borner) wrote in message news:<7f47238e.0406040615.65850483 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Quote: I am seriously thinking about installing an Engine Analyzer in my plane and am looking at options. I think I have narrowed the choice to J.P. Instruments or Electronics International. My EDM from JPI works great! I've never looked back. Get the fuel flow option with it though unless you already have a fuel computer. The EDM comes with more standard features than the GEM. I don't believe the GEM comes with voltage, etc. -Robert Back to top Tom Sixkiller Guest Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Analyzers "Dan Luke" <c172rg (AT) pantsbellsouth (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "M.E. Borner" wrote: anyone have any experience, recommendations or suggestions? My JPI EDM-700 has been flawless for the 18 mos. it's been in the airplane. It has the fuel flow option which I highly recommend. An engine analyzer is a great trouble shooting and mixture setting tool; I'd hate to do without one now. I'll second very word of that. 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