AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  End of Autogas?          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Owning Airplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message David Lesher Guest Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:44 pm    Post subject: End of Autogas? The GOP's energy bill will require ethenol in gasoline, apparently even in areas that do not have smog issues. Is this the end of autogas? -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz (AT) nrk (DOT) com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 Back to top Doug Guest Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? At the nearby airport where we can buy mogas, the owner gets 91 octane from a local supplier BEFORE any auto additives are added. I assume he will be able to continue to do so. Although I own stock in Exxon, I think this energy bill is the worst legislation I have ever seen come out of Congress, and I hope if it passes in it's present form that Bush vetoes it (I doubt he will as it is supported by many of the oil companies). The alchohol requirement is only part of the bad things. Where are the liberal, soak the rich, penalize the oil companies LIBERALS when you need them? (many liberals voted for it). David Lesher <wb8foz (AT) panix (DOT) com> wrote Quote: The GOP's energy bill will require ethenol in gasoline, apparently even in areas that do not have smog issues. Is this the end of autogas? Back to top Alexi Guest Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? "Doug" <anothername (AT) access4less (DOT) net> wrote Quote: At the nearby airport where we can buy mogas, the owner gets 91 octane from a local supplier BEFORE any auto additives are added. I assume he will be able to continue to do so. Although I own stock in Exxon, I think this energy bill is the worst legislation I have ever seen come out of Congress, and I hope if it passes in it's present form that Bush vetoes it (I doubt he will as it is supported by many of the oil companies). The alchohol requirement is only part of the bad things. Where are the liberal, soak the rich, penalize the oil companies LIBERALS when you need them? (many liberals voted for it). Kind of funny how the Bush/Cheney supporters stop sucking up real quick when the legistration affects their own little world. Don't like paying a little extra for avgas to support your FBO? Autogas should be renendered useless for aviation use, illegal even. Maybe someday we'll get clean hydrogen running engines that will eliminate the need for burning petro. Would have had themt a long time ago if it wasn't for the special interest lobbies and the Cheney/Bush types! Alexi Quote: David Lesher <wb8foz (AT) panix (DOT) com> wrote The GOP's energy bill will require ethenol in gasoline, apparently even in areas that do not have smog issues. Is this the end of autogas? Back to top jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com Guest Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? Alexi <AlexiX (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Kind of funny how the Bush/Cheney supporters stop sucking up real quick when the legistration affects their own little world. Don't like paying a little extra for avgas to support your FBO? Autogas should be renendered useless for aviation use, illegal even. Maybe someday we'll get clean hydrogen running engines that will eliminate the need for burning petro. Would have had themt a long time ago if it wasn't for the special interest lobbies and the Cheney/Bush types! Alexi The question to which I have yet to hear an answer from the hydrogen advocates is, since it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than you can get from burning it, where do you get the energy to produce the hydrogen in the first place? Reactors on every corner? Yeah, that will be real popular. Alcohol has the same problem plus there not being enough land in the US to produce enough to replace gasoline. So we replace Saudi oil with Mexican and Argentinian corn and put a reactor on every corner? As for being clean, any engine that uses air to supply the oxidizer produces oxides of nitrogen no matter what the fuel. -- Jim Pennino Remove -spam-sux to reply. Back to top Javier Henderson Guest Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:59 am    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? "Alexi" <AlexiX (AT) aol (DOT) com> writes: Quote: Kind of funny how the Bush/Cheney supporters stop sucking up real quick when the legistration affects their own little world. Don't like paying a little extra for avgas to support your FBO? Autogas should be renendered useless for aviation use, illegal even. Maybe someday we'll get clean hydrogen running engines that will eliminate the need for burning petro. Would have had themt a long time ago if it wasn't for the special interest lobbies and the Cheney/Bush types! Wow. Me, I prefer autogas because the engine in my Skylane won't foul plugs on it. As for supporting the FBO at my home base, his pricing practices leave much to be desired, so ... -jav Back to top C J Campbell Guest Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? "David Lesher" <wb8foz (AT) panix (DOT) com> wrote Quote: The GOP's energy bill will require ethenol in gasoline, apparently even in areas that do not have smog issues. This requirement was a rider attached by Daschle. The GOP accepted it or the bill would have been filibustered like all of Bush's judicial appointments. So, the GOP is condemned for not compromising, then condemned for accepting a compromise. Back to top C J Campbell Guest Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? "Alexi" <AlexiX (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Would have had themt a long time ago if it wasn't for the special interest lobbies and the Cheney/Bush types! Since the ethanol rider was attached by Daschle as a sop to his constituency (Archer-Daschle-Midland, or something like that), I fail to see how you can blame this on Cheney/Bush special interests. This is a Daschle special interest, pure and simple. Back to top Peter Gottlieb Guest Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? I condemn the whole lot of them. "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellNOSPAM (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Since the ethanol rider was attached by Daschle as a sop to his constituency (Archer-Daschle-Midland, or something like that), I fail to see how you can blame this on Cheney/Bush special interests. This is a Daschle special interest, pure and simple. Back to top Doug Guest Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? The bill is PORK. And it has a LOT of pork for a lot of constituents. Both parties are to blame here. It is just plain a bad piece of legislation. "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellNOSPAM (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "David Lesher" <wb8foz (AT) panix (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bpl8cb$eb9$1 (AT) reader2 (DOT) panix.com... | | | The GOP's energy bill will require ethenol in gasoline, apparently | even in areas that do not have smog issues. This requirement was a rider attached by Daschle. The GOP accepted it or the bill would have been filibustered like all of Bush's judicial appointments. So, the GOP is condemned for not compromising, then condemned for accepting a compromise. Back to top Gene Kearns Guest Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:44:27 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher <wb8foz (AT) panix (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: The GOP's energy bill will require ethenol in gasoline, apparently even in areas that do not have smog issues. Is this the end of autogas? It affects marine as well as aviation interests. A really bad idea. According to the news I heard, it has to be sold nationwide because each gallon will be subsidized by your tax dollar to the tune of $.53. It will cost more to produce that the gallon of gasoline it is replacing. Only winners here are the corn-belt states that will be paid to produce something that nobody really wants(or perhaps, can use). Back to top Michael Houghton Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: End of Autogas? Howdy! In article <vrtoe0lpd5eh32 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, C J Campbell <christophercampbellNOSPAM (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: "David Lesher" <wb8foz (AT) panix (DOT) com> wrote in message news:bpl8cb$eb9$1 (AT) reader2 (DOT) panix.com... | | | The GOP's energy bill will require ethenol in gasoline, apparently | even in areas that do not have smog issues. This requirement was a rider attached by Daschle. The GOP accepted it or the bill would have been filibustered like all of Bush's judicial appointments. *ahem* ....like four of the most contentious appointments (as opposed to the one hundred sixty eight (IIRC) that have been approved). Hardly "all". Bad radical. No biscuit. Quote: So, the GOP is condemned for not compromising, then condemned for accepting a compromise. Eh? 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