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Clive Braham
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 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: Emirates to consider double daily |
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Excusing the language in this Greek publication:
"We have one year ago launched a service to Glasgow in Scotland, which is
already profitable. And therefore must be again look at the near future to
the possibly going double daily. "
Full article has more interesting stuff from Emirates' SVP Europe, Keith
Longstaff:
www.traveldailynews.com/makeof.asp?central_id=714&permanent_id=7
Clive
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travel.logue@ntlworld.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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Hope this is the case. I would prefer to see two x A330 per day than a
single 773.
Has anyone one flown Emirates on both these aircraft? I suspect the 773
will be a bit cramped in a 3-4-3 seating config in cattle class.
Mike
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David Kerr
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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Clive Braham wrote:
| Quote: | Excusing the language in this Greek publication:
"We have one year ago launched a service to Glasgow in Scotland,
which is
already profitable. And therefore must be again look at the near
future to
the possibly going double daily. "
Full article has more interesting stuff from Emirates' SVP Europe,
Keith
Longstaff:
www.traveldailynews.com/makeof.asp?central_id=714&permanent_id=7
Clive
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One bit of interesting stuff we can deduce is that he doesn't know how
many flights a day they have into LHR!
Although the news that they are looking at double daily is good, my
only comment is that they really need to be able to start filling the
773 before launching a 2nd service...purely because the "I'm miffed"
department of my head remembers how their MAN service consistently had
90+% loads for an awfully long time before bumping up capacity for a
limited time and then going double daily!
David
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travel.logue@ntlworld.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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I would argue they would be better to stick with the A330 and start
double daily on say 4 days per week with the A330 There would be almost
the same number of available seats than bringing in the 773 on a single
daily flight.
Of course it depends on aircraft availability and the destinations
people are connecting onto at present.
Don't know the history about upgrading on the MAN service, however
Emirates are bringing in a lot of new aircraft and may now have better
capacity to increase services.
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David Kerr
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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travel.lo... (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com wrote:
| Quote: | I would argue they would be better to stick with the A330 and start
double daily on say 4 days per week with the A330 There would be
almost
the same number of available seats than bringing in the 773 on a
single
daily flight.
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The logical step would have been: daily A330, daily 772, then either
double daily A330 or daily 773 i.e. as per BHX + MAN
| Quote: | Of course it depends on aircraft availability and the destinations
people are connecting onto at present.
Don't know the history about upgrading on the MAN service, however
Emirates are bringing in a lot of new aircraft and may now have
better
capacity to increase services.
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It took them 7 years to go to daily (all services were one-stop to
begin with but then flirted with a mix of one-stop and non-stop with
1995 being something like 3 non-stop and 2 one-stop via Zurich per
week), and a further couple of years before they even made all flights
non-stop!
Therefore, slight umbrage was taken when they plunged into the BHX +
GLA markets with daily non-stop from the beginning, knowing the "growth
pains" of MAN (perhaps we could be known as the test-pit for regional
operations by airlines, test here in dribs and drabs and then expand to
other airports at the MAN frequency?!?!?) Hopefully service number 3
will come along sooner rather than later (especially if more than
30,000 passengers per month are generated consecutively for 5 to 6
months).
David
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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"David Kerr" <david.kerr (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote
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travel.lo... (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com wrote:
I would argue they would be better to stick with the A330 and start
double daily on say 4 days per week with the A330 There would be
almost
the same number of available seats than bringing in the 773 on a
single
daily flight.
The logical step would have been: daily A330, daily 772, then either
double daily A330 or daily 773 i.e. as per BHX + MAN
Of course it depends on aircraft availability and the destinations
people are connecting onto at present.
Don't know the history about upgrading on the MAN service, however
Emirates are bringing in a lot of new aircraft and may now have
better
capacity to increase services.
It took them 7 years to go to daily (all services were one-stop to
begin with but then flirted with a mix of one-stop and non-stop with
1995 being something like 3 non-stop and 2 one-stop via Zurich per
week), and a further couple of years before they even made all flights
non-stop!
Therefore, slight umbrage was taken when they plunged into the BHX +
GLA markets with daily non-stop from the beginning, knowing the "growth
pains" of MAN (perhaps we could be known as the test-pit for regional
operations by airlines, test here in dribs and drabs and then expand to
other airports at the MAN frequency?!?!?) Hopefully service number 3
will come along sooner rather than later (especially if more than
30,000 passengers per month are generated consecutively for 5 to 6
months).
David
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I suppose their early steps into the UK regions have matured a bit since the
early days. But thanks to MAN for getting the ball rolling 
No doubt there is plenty more to come.
Clive
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travel.logue@ntlworld.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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David
Looking from a GLA perspective, I don't think you should be surprised
the service went non-stop from the start.
We are talking 10 years on, long haul flights are a big growth area.
Emirates do not have anything like the competition from GLA than they
do now or had in the past from MAN.
Scotland to Australia is now a single stop route only flying Emirates.
I am sure you could list quite a number of schedule and charter flights
going out East from MAN. We have one!!
However I think it would be more logical to go double daily on four
days (or even start with one) a week and pick up extra traffic,
particularly on the Sydney route, where connection times are poor.
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Blimpee
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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The message <1113861668.806165.238670 (AT) g14g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>
from [email]travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com[/email] contains these words:
| Quote: | Emirates do not have anything like the competition from GLA than they
do now or had in the past from MAN.
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They appear to be prepared to compete against themselves?
http://business.scotsman.com/transport.cfm?id=413652005
Perhaps fearful that other airlines will come to the same conclusions.?
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Blimpee
administrator, alt.airports.uk.glasgow
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travel.logue@ntlworld.com
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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I would be surprised if Emirates started up from Edinburgh in 2006. I
think they will see how the loads do from GLA in 2006 with the B773.
You may see EDI in 2007, however I wonder if Keith Longstaff was
responding diplomatically to the direct question asked by Colin Donald.
There was no mention of EDI on his comments in the Travel Daily News.
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Jim Mason
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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In article <1113902628.113056.262230 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
[email]travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com[/email] says...
| Quote: | I would be surprised if Emirates started up from Edinburgh in 2006. I
think they will see how the loads do from GLA in 2006 with the B773.
You may see EDI in 2007, however I wonder if Keith Longstaff was
responding diplomatically to the direct question asked by Colin Donald.
There was no mention of EDI on his comments in the Travel Daily News.
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The whole article was somewhat `loaded`.
Jim
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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<travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | I would be surprised if Emirates started up from Edinburgh in 2006. I
think they will see how the loads do from GLA in 2006 with the B773.
You may see EDI in 2007, however I wonder if Keith Longstaff was
responding diplomatically to the direct question asked by Colin Donald.
There was no mention of EDI on his comments in the Travel Daily News.
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To what are you referring?
C
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GM
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:46:23 +0100, Clive Braham wrote:
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[email]travel.logue (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com[/email]> wrote in message
news:1113902628.113056.262230 (AT) o13g2000cwo (DOT) googlegroups.com...
I would be surprised if Emirates started up from Edinburgh in 2006. I
think they will see how the loads do from GLA in 2006 with the B773.
You may see EDI in 2007, however I wonder if Keith Longstaff was
responding diplomatically to the direct question asked by Colin Donald.
There was no mention of EDI on his comments in the Travel Daily News.
To what are you referring?
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http://business.scotsman.com/transport.cfm?id=413652005
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GM
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paris
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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There was no mention of Edi getting any flights by Emirates or any
other airline in the article.
The Scotsman article is only filling a gap in its pages with spoof
journalism. Keith Longstaff is obviously only reacting appeasingly to a
question put to him. His statement mentions several city destinations.
Edinburgh was not one of them.
I have flown through dozens of European and US airports. Edi is a small
operation, doing a great job in its class. Longhaul operators will
always look to the big city airports as a priority. Gla is in this
class.
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Damian
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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paris wrote:
| Quote: | There was no mention of Edi getting any flights by Emirates or any
other airline in the article.
The Scotsman article is only filling a gap in its pages with spoof
journalism. Keith Longstaff is obviously only reacting appeasingly to
a
question put to him. His statement mentions several city
destinations.
Edinburgh was not one of them.
I have flown through dozens of European and US airports. Edi is a
small
operation, doing a great job in its class. Longhaul operators will
always look to the big city airports as a priority. Gla is in this
class.
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Ten years ago, I probably would have agreed. But I don't think the
situation is as black and white as you suggest any longer. Emirates is
engaged in an aggressive expansionist campaign at present - they are
doing what Continental are doing in the UK regions and that process is
unliklely to stop at GLA. EDI *will* in my opinion see a service to
Dubai within the next two to three years, and GLA most likely double
daily in addition to it. EDI is not a dramatically smaller operation,
these days, than Glasgow, as the CAA stats clearly prove.
The direct quote from Mr Longstaff is pretty clear what his airlines
intentions will be in Scotland in the years ahead - EDI will not be
ignored.
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B.Leaver
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Emirates to consider double daily |
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On 19 Apr 2005 13:25:00 -0700, "paris" <gdunnhome20 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have flown through dozens of European and US airports. Edi is a small
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EDI is within 500,000 annual passengers to gain parity with GLA and
its a small operation.
I have never heard such parochial rubbish in my life.
Take away the charters alone from GLA and EDI is Scotland's busiest
year round airport.
Its Scotland's busiest for six months of the year already, give it a
year or two and you will look back and see what a prat you are.
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