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halchouinard@hotmail.com
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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I realize the requirement is only for contests now but does the
personal ELT meet the requirement or does it have to be one installed
in the glider?
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tfdixon@msn.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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It has to be mounted and meet FAA c91a standards.
Tom
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halchouin... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote:
| Quote: | I realize the requirement is only for contests now but does the
personal ELT meet the requirement or does it have to be one installed
in the glider?
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Eric Greenwell
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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[email]tfdixon (AT) msn (DOT) com[/email] wrote:
| Quote: | It has to be mounted and meet FAA c91a standards.
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The Rules Committee is considering allowing c91 units, but these must
still be mounted. You might want to contact them about personal units,
if those appeal to you.
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I realize the requirement is only for contests now but does the
personal ELT meet the requirement or does it have to be one installed
in the glider?
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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
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halchouinard@hotmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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Eric Greenwell wrote:
| Quote: | tfdixon (AT) msn (DOT) com wrote:
It has to be mounted and meet FAA c91a standards.
The Rules Committee is considering allowing c91 units, but these must
still be mounted. You might want to contact them about personal
units,
if those appeal to you.
I realize the requirement is only for contests now but does the
personal ELT meet the requirement or does it have to be one
installed
in the glider?
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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
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I would seem airplanes can have many passangers and do not normally
carry parachutes so logically you would put the ELT in the plane.
Glider pilots in contest carry parachutes so in most cases I can think
of it would be better to have the ELT with the pilot. Is there a reason
this is not allowed in contest flying?
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MKEENE221
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:41 am Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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| Quote: | Glider pilots in contest carry parachutes so in most cases I can think
of it would be better to have the ELT with the pilot. Is there a reason
this is not allowed in contest flying?
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It's probably because the ELT that's carried in a parachute won't activate on
impact like the one mounted in the aircraft. If an aircraft crashes and the
pilot is incapacitated, can't reach to activate it or worse yet, dead, he might
as well not even have one. The ideal situation would be to have one mounted in
the glider and one carried in the parachute.
Mark
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Eric Greenwell
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:53 am Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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MKEENE221 wrote:
| Quote: | Glider pilots in contest carry parachutes so in most cases I can think
of it would be better to have the ELT with the pilot. Is there a reason
this is not allowed in contest flying?
It's probably because the ELT that's carried in a parachute won't activate on
impact like the one mounted in the aircraft. If an aircraft crashes and the
pilot is incapacitated, can't reach to activate it or worse yet, dead, he might
as well not even have one. The ideal situation would be to have one mounted in
the glider and one carried in the parachute.
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My imprecise recollection is pilots that parachute out are generally
found a lot quicker than pilots that crash, probably because they
survive and use the radio, cell phone, etc. For this reason, I decided a
mounted ELT would do me, my wife, and search personnel more good than a
personal one.
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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
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Mal.com
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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In 1989 I cleaned up the results of a glider mid air the wings of one of the
aircraft came off.
The fuselage was gone the biggest part we could recognise was one side of
the battery.
Any ELT would have been pulverised.
Even if I end up in a tree the ELT is still with me as I attach it to my
parachute strap.
Australia is remote place I take my ELT 4WDing, country driving, gliding,
flying, skiing and hiking.
Its the one thing I own that I hope I never have to use.
Mal
"Eric Greenwell" <flyguy26e (AT) charter (DOT) netto> wrote
| Quote: | MKEENE221 wrote:
Glider pilots in contest carry parachutes so in most cases I can think
of it would be better to have the ELT with the pilot. Is there a reason
this is not allowed in contest flying?
It's probably because the ELT that's carried in a parachute won't
activate on
impact like the one mounted in the aircraft. If an aircraft crashes and
the
pilot is incapacitated, can't reach to activate it or worse yet, dead, he
might
as well not even have one. The ideal situation would be to have one
mounted in
the glider and one carried in the parachute.
My imprecise recollection is pilots that parachute out are generally found
a lot quicker than pilots that crash, probably because they survive and
use the radio, cell phone, etc. For this reason, I decided a mounted ELT
would do me, my wife, and search personnel more good than a personal one.
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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA
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tango4
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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My parachute is the first thing I hope I never have to use. My ELT is a
close second however!
Ian
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Mark Zivley
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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Mark is absolutely correct that the two together is the BEST possible
scenario.
With that said, I think it would be nice if the RC simply stated that an
ELT of any kind is required. If a mounted ELT gets pulverized in the
crash then that's no good and if someone bails out, but becomes
incapacitated then a portable is no good and even if you have both you
are not guaranteed one will work.
Sure would be nice if the RC would allow the individual to make the
decision as to what he/she thinks is best. If the RC makes a
recommendation, that is certainly understandable.
Mark
MKEENE221 wrote:
| Quote: | Glider pilots in contest carry parachutes so in most cases I can think
of it would be better to have the ELT with the pilot. Is there a reason
this is not allowed in contest flying?
It's probably because the ELT that's carried in a parachute won't activate on
impact like the one mounted in the aircraft. If an aircraft crashes and the
pilot is incapacitated, can't reach to activate it or worse yet, dead, he might
as well not even have one. The ideal situation would be to have one mounted in
the glider and one carried in the parachute.
Mark
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Eric Greenwell
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| Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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Mal.com wrote:
| Quote: | In 1989 I cleaned up the results of a glider mid air the wings of one of the
aircraft came off.
The fuselage was gone the biggest part we could recognise was one side of
the battery.
Any ELT would have been pulverised.
Even if I end up in a tree the ELT is still with me as I attach it to my
parachute strap.
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Have any glider pilots in Australia parachuted from their glider and not
been found quickly?
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Eric Greenwell
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Mark James Boyd
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: ELT's Personal vs Installed |
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Hmmm...in my case a mounted ELT would have, at best, a 5% chance
of activating in the best case.
This is because I have flown 20 gliders without ELTs in the
past 2 years. A single mounted ELT in one of them would have
done little for me except ground the aircraft while it
was installed.
On the other hand, my personal ELT has been with me on every single
glider flight out of the pattern. And I've activated it four times.
Eric Greenwell <flyguy26e (AT) charter (DOT) netto> wrote:
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My imprecise recollection is pilots that parachute out are generally
found a lot quicker than pilots that crash, probably because they
survive and use the radio, cell phone, etc. For this reason, I decided a
mounted ELT would do me, my wife, and search personnel more good than a
personal one.
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