AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Elfe S4D information request          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Sailplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Janos Bauer Guest Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject: Elfe S4D information request Hi, We looked around the net but it's hard to find any detailed information about how this plane was constructed. Is there any problem with this metal-wood-composite mixture? How can these planes maintained? How does it fly? Is it difficult to assemble/disassemble? Or any other experience is welcome. /Janos Back to top Stefan Guest Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Elfe S4D information request The best start would probably be to contact directly the Neukom Composite AG in Switzerland. Their homepage is password protected, though, and I don't know their e-mail address... But maybe DG may help you to get in contact, as Neukom is the LS reprentative in Switzerland and LS is now DG... Stefan Back to top Mr Derek Wilson Guest Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Elfe S4D information request "Janos Bauer" <jancsika (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote Quote: We looked around the net but it's hard to find any detailed information about how this plane was constructed. I have a 1977 built Elfe S4a. In answer to your questions: Construction: Grp front fuselage. Wood/Epoxy sandwich wing, rear fuselage and tail. Same wing section as ASW-15 and ASW-19. Maintenance: Like any wooden glider. Wing profile good after 28 years! Paint any scratches so easier than glass to repair. No large costs for re-gelling. Rigging: Similar to Sleicher K6 but heavier (mine weighs 253kg empty) Flying: No trim, but as it has all-flying tail then no stick load but never able to take hands off. Slightly lower max L/D than Std. Cirrus or LS1f but more than equal above 100KPH. Long fuselage relative to 15metre wing as same fuselage was used on 17metre Elfe. Airbrakes not great (top surface only) but not really bad. Climbs as well as other standard class machines at my club. Cockpit is quite small for me but I am 1.83 metres tall and weigh 97kg! Conclusion: Would I buy one - YES. Value for money as a good one should cost only 6000 Euro. I do not know of anything better for the money. You can email me if you have more questions at derekatmotorgliderdotcodotuk. Back to top lucid Guest Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Elfe S4D information request Hi people, I'm the proud ower of D-8498, (Elfe S4D, built by the JugendAusbildung in OerlingHausen (1985), and I am looking for the german MusterBetreuers, as well as any technical drawings considering this aircraft. The Elfe S4D is a secret plane, having an index of 96, flying just as well as an AS19 or ASW15, I noticed this while flying my plane for 5 hours, wing to wing with an ASW19 of our club.. No noticeable differences. It's a really forgiving plane, and you can circle K8 style in thermals... (70kmh / 45 degrees bank) There are some nice pictures available of another Elfe which you can see here : http://members.lycos.nl/kokkieshome/elfe.html Also, soon , I will SETUP AN ELFE S3/S4 forum especially for all of us who fly Elfe's. Click this link after 01-march-2005 and it will most probably work : 'THE BRAND NEW ELFE S3/S4D forum!' (http://www.tvwebradio.com/elfe) Please contact me directly via [email]spam (AT) tvwebradio (DOT) com[/email] , it will work. www.tvwebradio.com/sailorsofthsky -- lucid ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via OziPilots Online [ http://www.OziPilotsOnline.com.au ] - A website for Australian Pilots regardless of when, why, or what they fly - Back to top Steve Leonard Guest Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: Elfe S4D information request Elfes4 <elfes4 (AT) removethisozipilotsonline (DOT) com.au> wrote: 'Hi there Mike, The technical drawings are coming your way ! I gave them to Jens yesterday ! Feel free to distribute to all Elfe enthousiasts ! (full size tiff scans 200 MB total) Greetz, Theo Janssen Former proud owner of Elfe S4 PH-1188 serial 67' Theo or Mike, I have an S2 and might be interested in seeing at least some of the drawings. My wings are in three pieces, rather than two, but there are probably still similarities. Has anyone established or seen any sites with information on the Elfe? It would be interesting to know a bit more about them. 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