AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Electronic review of flight? Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Al Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:34 pm    Post subject: Electronic review of flight? With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI Back to top three-eight-hotel Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? You have to have filed an IFR flight plan, but... http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt Best Regards, Todd Back to top Frank Stutzman Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? In rec.aviation.ifr Al <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> wrote: Quote: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI My ancient Garmin 195 will record the flight track and allow it it be downloaded to a PC. I assume most more recent handheld GPS units can as well. One of those features that you can get on a handheld, but can't get in any panel mount, IFR certified GPS units. Unfortunately, my 195 will only record horizontal information. Don't know if newer handhelds might record altitude information. -- Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR Back to top three-eight-hotel Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? Here's the link to the animation of the Nike plane with the landing gear problem, landing at Hillsboro, OR http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N225GV It was a long day, with lots of holds! Best Regards, Todd Back to top Mitty Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? Chartcase: http://www.flightprep.com/rootpage.php?page=HomeEFBSW Records tracks, including speed and altitude. At least the data is in the track file. Their display is basically just the route as a static trail of bread crumbs, at least in the current release. Possibly they plan to do more with it in the future. On 12/19/2005 12:34 PM, Frank Stutzman wrote the following: Quote: In rec.aviation.ifr Al <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> wrote: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI My ancient Garmin 195 will record the flight track and allow it it be downloaded to a PC. I assume most more recent handheld GPS units can as well. One of those features that you can get on a handheld, but can't get in any panel mount, IFR certified GPS units. Unfortunately, my 195 will only record horizontal information. Don't know if newer handhelds might record altitude information. Back to top Kyler Laird Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> writes: Quote: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI I created an incredibly simple GPS playback mechanism. It just showed the position on a moving sectional image and printed the speed, etc. but I can certainly see how it would be useful. It should be fairly simple to feed GPS data ingo FlightGear. I'll be surprised if someone hasn't done it already but I don't recall hearing of it. --kyler Back to top Rob Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? Kyler Laird wrote: Quote: "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> writes: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI I created an incredibly simple GPS playback mechanism. It just showed the position on a moving sectional image and printed the speed, etc. but I can certainly see how it would be useful. It should be fairly simple to feed GPS data ingo FlightGear. I'll be surprised if someone hasn't done it already but I don't recall hearing of it. --kyler I write the same thing for my Pocket PC a year or so ago. It takes as input a (manually) geo-referenced .jpg of a map and a text file of raw NMEA data from my GPS. I could spend a little time cleaning it up for public consumption if there's interest. -R Back to top Rob Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? Rob wrote: Quote: I write the same thing for my Pocket PC a year or so ago. Errr... that should say "wrote" the same thing. -R Back to top Al Guest Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? GPS would be great, but how about attitude info? If I can replay a students instrument approach, I can point out how the a/c attitude and heading wandered all over the place, followed by altitude & heading. I picture a flight sim reflying the lesson. I don't know if any of the current systems offer a USB port or SD card slot for output. It would seem an easy thing to sample the GPS/Airdata/Ratedata every couple of ms and put it out to a card/port. By the way Kyler, I have for several years enjoyed your sectionals. Al CFIAMI "Kyler Laird" <Kyler (AT) news (DOT) Lairds.org> wrote Quote: "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> writes: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI I created an incredibly simple GPS playback mechanism. It just showed the position on a moving sectional image and printed the speed, etc. but I can certainly see how it would be useful. It should be fairly simple to feed GPS data ingo FlightGear. I'll be surprised if someone hasn't done it already but I don't recall hearing of it. --kyler Back to top Steven Guest Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? I use my Garmin eTrex handheld to store flight details. The data can be downloaded to a computer. The data consists of a series of lines with data e.g.: Latitude Longitude Altitude Date Time Duration Miles mph N52°01.9574' E001°14.9907' 3693.7 07/10/2005 08:47:38 0 0:36:16 30.462 130.4 This can be imported into a spreadsheet to plot speed/time, height/time, and location. Garmin also provide a map function on a CD with the eTrex, that can show the course plot. Alternatively you can use a free application like GPSU, to get a course overlayed on a scanned-in map, from http://www.gpsu.co.uk/. Steven "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> wrote Quote: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI Back to top Wizard of Draws Guest Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? On 12/19/05 12:34 PM, in article [email]1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d (AT) roc (DOT) usenetexchange.com[/email], "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> wrote: Quote: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI I've saved a trip of driving info from my new Lowrance 2000c to the SD card and my PC and played with the file here: http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ Very cool. Haven't had a chance to fly and play with the tracks yet. Odd thing, the GPS track didn't match the Map Create 6 street map that came with the unit, but when I played with the file on Google Earth, G.E. map view was was dead on, down to showing the slight curve in my driveway in the correct relation to the street. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic� http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic� http://www.cartoonclipart.com Back to top Mike Murdock Guest Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> wrote Quote: With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/ -Mike Back to top Kyler Laird Guest Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> writes: Quote: GPS would be great, but how about attitude info? Have you seen the "HSI simulators" on modern handheld GPS systems? There is a lot you can do with the data from a GPS, especially if you're just trying to play back an instrument approach. The attitude can be estimated fairly well from GPS data unless you're doing loops on the localizer. Quote: I don't know if any of the current systems offer a USB port or SD card slot for output. It would seem an easy thing to sample the GPS/Airdata/Ratedata every couple of ms and put it out to a card/port. I'm more of a build-it-myself (instead of wait-for-some-manufacturer-to- want-to-do-it) kind of guy. I use a Garmin module with an RS-232 output. I also have a Bluetooth GPS. Either could easily go to something like my Gumstix http://www.gumstix.com/products.html which could capture the data to an SD. (I originally bought the Gumstix to capture cockpit audio for my wife's research project. 'twould be fun to hook it up to record from the intercom for your application too.) Quote: By the way Kyler, I have for several years enjoyed your sectionals. I appreciate hearing that. I should be resuming the updates soon. It took awhile of subscription lapse to learn that people (besides simulator guys) were using them and I'm working with a sponsor to resubscribe. --kyler Back to top Al Guest Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? "Mike Murdock" <mike (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "Al" <agerhart (AT) nospam (DOT) netscape.com> wrote in message news:1135013678.12351f0117238d0d81fe8dc627be130d (AT) roc (DOT) usenetexchange.com... With all of the new EFIS(Electronic flight Instrumentation Systems), has anyone seen one that stores the flight path for replay? It looks like all of the information is there, and this would be a tremendous help in instrument instructing, or even "pattern review". If downloaded to a simulator on a pc, this would be a good help answer post flight review questions. Al CFIAMI Is this what you're looking for? http://www.appareo.com/ -Mike Yes. The output is exactly what I was thinking of. I was thinking of an output port on the EFIS systems, maybe even including engine or configuration information. Something like a mini flight recorder. I had not considered making it a stand alone unit, but this makes it very flexible. Use it in any aircraft. Use it on models. Use it where no power supply exists, like gliders. Heck, tape it to the side of half pipe bicycle riders. One could use this anywhere things were going to happen quickly, in several dimensions, and you want know what happened. Thanks for the link. How did you learn of this? Al Back to top Mike Murdock Guest Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic review of flight? Quote: Thanks for the link. How did you learn of this? Al I saw it at Oshkosh this year. They had a unit connected to a PC. You could pick up the unit and rotate it a few degrees, or translate it a few inches and the PC screen tracked its motion precisely. 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