AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Electronic flight bag legal?          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Instrument Flight Rules View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:03 am    Post subject: Electronic flight bag legal? Hello, Are you legal if you have one oft those electronic flight bags with all the plates/maps? Or do you still need the paper ones in the plane? -dr Back to top Bob Gardner Guest Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? 91.175 says that you must use a procedure based on Part 97. Doesn't say paper, doesn't say electronic, doesn't even say current. Bob Gardner <dico (AT) internetworks (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:1150160592.110378.230510 (AT) y43g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Hello, Are you legal if you have one oft those electronic flight bags with all the plates/maps? Or do you still need the paper ones in the plane? -dr Back to top Bob Moore Guest Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? Quote: Are you legal if you have one oft those electronic flight bags with all the plates/maps? Or do you still need the paper ones in the plane? I don't know about Canada, but here in the USoA, you are not required to have either paper or electronic charts unless it is a Part 121 or Part 135 operation. Part 91...no charts VFR or IFR required by the Regs. Bob Moore Back to top Guest Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? Part 91 is just a private private? Any Canadians on here who can sign some light on this for our skies? -dr Bob Moore wrote: Quote: Are you legal if you have one oft those electronic flight bags with all the plates/maps? Or do you still need the paper ones in the plane? I don't know about Canada, but here in the USoA, you are not required to have either paper or electronic charts unless it is a Part 121 or Part 135 operation. Part 91...no charts VFR or IFR required by the Regs. Bob Moore Back to top Paul Tomblin Guest Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? In a previous article, "Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> said: Quote: The reason he gave is that the actual approaches are copywrited, intellectual property and that the gov't does not allow you to just print them out yourself. One of a number of reasons its more expensive to live in Canada. Actually, I think before they privatized ATC, the approach plates were not copyright like that. I know that when I first started to build my navaid.com web site, Energy Mines and Resources Canada web site had information on access to digital aeronautical data for a nominal fee, the same way the FAA does, but when I inquired they said that this was under review pending the transfer of the ownership of the data to NavCanada, and when I asked a few months later they said "sorry, it's not our data any more". It always annoys me when data that your government collects using your tax dollars isn't available to you for the cost of the materials. Of course when I first started looking at what would become navaid.com, the FAA data was available only on 9-track tapes, which were hideously expensive and hard to find somebody who could read them. I told them that if they gave me free access to the data, I'd be pleased to donate a computer with a CD burner so they could come into the current century, and a few years later they did finally start doing the data via CD. Now I wish they'd just put it on an FTP site (like I do at ftp://xcski.net/ - ssshhhh, don't tell anybody). There's no pleasing some people. -- Paul Tomblin <ptomblin (AT) xcski (DOT) com> http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Usenet is a co-operative venture, backed by nasty people - follow the standards. -- Chris Rovers Back to top Bob Gardner Guest Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? Enlighten me as to where in any regulation it says that NACO charts are copyrighted? And which regulation bars their being printed out? I use NACO charts in my books precisely because they are in the public domain, and good old Captain Jepp, to whom I entrusted my life for many years, gets uptight if you use his charts without (in the case of ASA) purchasing permission. Bob Gardner "Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1150222501.898999.190780 (AT) i40g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: The reason he gave is that the actual approaches are copywrited, intellectual property and that the gov't does not allow you to just print them out yourself. One of a number of reasons its more expensive to live in Canada. -Robert Bob Gardner wrote: As we have seen time and time again in the newsgroups, instructors are not necessarily the font of all knowledge. The one you mention was wrong. Bob Gardner Back to top Bob Gardner Guest Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? Ohmigawd. I just saw the ".ca" in his address. Mea culpa and all that. Bob "Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1150222501.898999.190780 (AT) i40g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: The reason he gave is that the actual approaches are copywrited, intellectual property and that the gov't does not allow you to just print them out yourself. One of a number of reasons its more expensive to live in Canada. -Robert Bob Gardner wrote: As we have seen time and time again in the newsgroups, instructors are not necessarily the font of all knowledge. The one you mention was wrong. Bob Gardner Back to top Paul Tomblin Guest Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? In a previous article, dico (AT) internetworks (DOT) ca said: Quote: So is this one (or perhaps the main) reason that airnav.com doesn't have any Canadian info? Is this something you plan on adding or is it too difficult to deal with Nav Canada? I can't speak for Paulo Santos (owner of airnav.com) but navaid.com does have *some* Canadian data, mostly because of the Digital Aeronautical Flight Information File (DAFIF) (which is going away in October, by the way), and partly because of the generosity of some of my users. I once spent some time begging NavCanada to release the data, and they said they'd need their lawyer to draw up a legal indemnity, and I said go ahead, I'd sign it. So then they said the lawyer was too busy to draw it up or review it, and when I said I'd pay their expenses to get it drawn up, they stopped answering my email. -- Paul Tomblin <ptomblin (AT) xcski (DOT) com> http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Real computer scientists despise the idea of actual hardware. Hardware has limitations, software doesn't. It's a real shame that Turing machines are so poor at I/O. Back to top Guest Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? So is this one (or perhaps the main) reason that airnav.com doesn't have any Canadian info? Is this something you plan on adding or is it too difficult to deal with Nav Canada? -dr Paul Tomblin wrote: Quote: In a previous article, "Robert M. Gary" <N7093v (AT) gmail (DOT) com> said: The reason he gave is that the actual approaches are copywrited, intellectual property and that the gov't does not allow you to just print them out yourself. One of a number of reasons its more expensive to live in Canada. Actually, I think before they privatized ATC, the approach plates were not copyright like that. I know that when I first started to build my navaid.com web site, Energy Mines and Resources Canada web site had information on access to digital aeronautical data for a nominal fee, the same way the FAA does, but when I inquired they said that this was under review pending the transfer of the ownership of the data to NavCanada, and when I asked a few months later they said "sorry, it's not our data any more". It always annoys me when data that your government collects using your tax dollars isn't available to you for the cost of the materials. Of course when I first started looking at what would become navaid.com, the FAA data was available only on 9-track tapes, which were hideously expensive and hard to find somebody who could read them. I told them that if they gave me free access to the data, I'd be pleased to donate a computer with a CD burner so they could come into the current century, and a few years later they did finally start doing the data via CD. Now I wish they'd just put it on an FTP site (like I do at ftp://xcski.net/ - ssshhhh, don't tell anybody). There's no pleasing some people. -- Paul Tomblin <ptomblin (AT) xcski (DOT) com> http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ Usenet is a co-operative venture, backed by nasty people - follow the standards. -- Chris Rovers Back to top TMcDonald Guest Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? Two websites to refer to: www.adrsoft.com & www.paperlesscockpit.com also... http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/b5de2a1cac2e1f7b86256ced00786888//AC120-76A.pdf <dico (AT) internetworks (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:1150160592.110378.230510 (AT) y43g2000cwc (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: Hello, Are you legal if you have one oft those electronic flight bags with all the plates/maps? Or do you still need the paper ones in the plane? -dr Back to top Robert M. Gary Guest Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? TMcDonald wrote: Quote: also... http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/b5de2a1cac2e1f7b86256ced00786888//AC120-76A.pdf What does the FAA have to do with Transport Canada? -Robert Back to top Ron Natalie Guest Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Re: Electronic flight bag legal? dico (AT) internetworks (DOT) ca wrote: Quote: Part 91 is just a private private? Part 91 is slang for not subject to the commercial operator regulations (part 135--Air Taxi, part 121 -- Air Carrier, etc). Actually everybody is subject to part 91, it's just that GA is subject to ONLY part 91. 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