AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  EK doing well Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Glasgow Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Gusty Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: EK doing well GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 g Back to top BLIMPS Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 Liked this bit - Vic Sheppard, vice-president of Emirates UK, said the first week of its new Glasgow-Dubai service had been "probably the most successful new route we've ever had". BLIMPS Back to top BLIMPS Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 And this - "The flights are already 95% full for July," he said. "We made a profit in our first week on the route, which is almost unheard of." BLIMPS Back to top Iain Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "BLIMPS" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:8229223a.0404180604.1353b12e (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 And this - "The flights are already 95% full for July," he said. "We made a profit in our first week on the route, which is almost unheard of." BLIMPS Is the runway long enough for direct flights to these places - I would have guessed not? Back to top David Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well [email]david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk[/email] (Gusty) wrote in message news:<8229223a.0404180604.1353b12e (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Quote: GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 g Dont get too carried away here Gusty, remember its the B(S)AA we are talking about here. Look at where BWIA has gone. Wouldnt put it past PIK to make the airlines an offer they couldnt refuse. BAA on the other hand seem to be able to quite the opposite. As always hoping to ne suprised by B(S)AA but havent been so far. David Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "David" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) net> wrote Quote: david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk (Gusty) wrote in message news:<8229223a.0404180604.1353b12e (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 g Dont get too carried away here Gusty, remember its the B(S)AA we are talking about here. Look at where BWIA has gone. Wouldnt put it past PIK to make the airlines an offer they couldnt refuse. BAA on the other hand seem to be able to quite the opposite. As always hoping to ne suprised by B(S)AA but havent been so far. David You'll have missed these pearls of wisdom then - "Vic Sheppard, vice-president of Emirates UK, said the first week of its new Glasgow-Dubai service had been "probably the most successful new route we've ever had". The airline has already found that many passengers are using the service to avoid Heathrow, and then transfer on to Asia and Australia. "The flights are already 95% full for July," he said. "We made a profit in our first week on the route, which is almost unheard of." Sheppard said other carriers offering direct flights to international 'hub' airports were now on the cards. "You're looking at flights like Glasgow-Bangkok or Singapore and Hong Kong - big airports where you get a lot of transfers to and from." " Clive Back to top Iain Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "David" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) net> wrote Quote: david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk (Gusty) wrote in message news:<8229223a.0404180604.1353b12e (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 g Dont get too carried away here Gusty, remember its the B(S)AA we are talking about here. Look at where BWIA has gone. Wouldnt put it past PIK to make the airlines an offer they couldnt refuse. BAA on the other hand seem to be able to quite the opposite. As always hoping to ne suprised by B(S)AA but havent been so far. David Are you suggesting that potential scheduled operators to SIN/BKK/HKG would go to PIK? If you are I have to presume you've never been to PIK. Whilst it's fine for most budget carriers I really can't see premium long-haul carriers like Singapore or Cathay there - the airport is a 70s timewarp and the premuim facilities are just not there. Of course the runway at GLA (and EDI for that matter) is probably too short, but I staill couldn't see them at PIK. Back to top David Kerr Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "BLIMPS" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote ..cfm?id=436752004 Quote: Liked this bit - Vic Sheppard, vice-president of Emirates UK, said the first week of its new Glasgow-Dubai service had been "probably the most successful new route we've ever had". I wouldn't wet myself with delirium with that....they said exactly the same thing with BHX; the only regional UK airport they didn't venture that sentiment is the airport which does have double daily services and which happens to be the one in which they dipped their toes in to test the regional market with just a couple of services a week. (In fact, one could repeat the latter part of the previous sentence for quite a few regional operations). One day, we'll get an "exotic" place to begin on a daily basis - you don't know how lucky you are! Davdi Back to top David Kerr Guest Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "BLIMPS" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:8229223a.0404180604.1353b12e (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 And this - "The flights are already 95% full for July," Try having around 90% loads year round for a year or two; hopefully GLA won't suffer in the same manner when that occurs as MAN did with expansion being unable to take place due to a lack of aircraft. David Back to top Mike Guest Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: EK doing well GLA to SIN or BKK would be ok using an A330-200. Its definetly got the range and I think it might just about be unrestriced for runway length. Check out the following link. http://www.airbus.com/product/a330_a200_introduction.asp Long range versions of B767 and B777 will have restrictions on MTOW. Anyway neither Singapore Airlines of Thai operate A330-200's. Although Quantas do. However they quote max range on their version as a mere 7000KM as opposed to 12000 KM on the Airbus site. I expect Globespan will be putting in an order in the near future !! Back to top BLIMPS Guest Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "David Kerr" <david.kerr (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "BLIMPS" <BLIMPS (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote .cfm?id=436752004 Liked this bit - Vic Sheppard, vice-president of Emirates UK, said the first week of its new Glasgow-Dubai service had been "probably the most successful new route we've ever had". I wouldn't wet myself with delirium with that....they said exactly the same thing with BHX; the only regional UK airport they didn't venture that sentiment is the airport which does have double daily services and which happens to be the one in which they dipped their toes in to test the regional market with just a couple of services a week. (In fact, one could repeat the latter part of the previous sentence for quite a few regional operations). One day, we'll get an "exotic" place to begin on a daily basis - you don't know how lucky you are! David, I was actually waiting with (not quite) baited breath for this post from you, thank's for being consistent re your semi-rubbishing of a quote from an airline spokesman every time one makes positive noises re GLA , you didn't let me down. Regards BLIMPS Back to top David Guest Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote Quote: "David" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) net> wrote in message news:8d95a93e.0404181118.7663ec9d (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... [email]david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk[/email] (Gusty) wrote in message news:<8229223a.0404180604.1353b12e (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... GLA to BKK, SIN likely... http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=436752004 g Dont get too carried away here Gusty, remember its the B(S)AA we are talking about here. Look at where BWIA has gone. Wouldnt put it past PIK to make the airlines an offer they couldnt refuse. BAA on the other hand seem to be able to quite the opposite. As always hoping to ne suprised by B(S)AA but havent been so far. David You'll have missed these pearls of wisdom then - "Vic Sheppard, vice-president of Emirates UK, said the first week of its new Glasgow-Dubai service had been "probably the most successful new route we've ever had". The airline has already found that many passengers are using the service to avoid Heathrow, and then transfer on to Asia and Australia. "The flights are already 95% full for July," he said. "We made a profit in our first week on the route, which is almost unheard of." Sheppard said other carriers offering direct flights to international 'hub' airports were now on the cards. "You're looking at flights like Glasgow-Bangkok or Singapore and Hong Kong - big airports where you get a lot of transfers to and from." " Clive Read this on the internet. Im also old and cynical enough to remember the rush of TX traffic during the early 90's. If I remember at its peak we had : NW D10's 4 times a week and daily in summer BA 1011's 4 times a week AA daily? United daily AC 3 times per week and 9 times per week in summer Now what do we have? Also seem to remember a rumour that QF wanted to op EX GLA before the new international pier was in place but was unable to handle the additional trafffic. Think this was also the same time tha LH wanted to op the 747F into GLA that ultimately went the way of PIK. David Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "David" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "The flights are already 95% full for July," he said. "We made a profit in our first week on the route, which is almost unheard of." Sheppard said other carriers offering direct flights to international 'hub' airports were now on the cards. "You're looking at flights like Glasgow-Bangkok or Singapore and Hong Kong - big airports where you get a lot of transfers to and from." " Clive Read this on the internet. Im also old and cynical enough to remember the rush of TX traffic during the early 90's. If I remember at its peak we had : NW D10's 4 times a week and daily in summer BA 1011's 4 times a week AA daily? United daily AC 3 times per week and 9 times per week in summer Now what do we have? Across the pond we have: CO daily AC daily summer only AA daily summer only US daily summer only Zoom 6 weekly Air Transat 4 weekly Thomas Cook daily My Travel 2 weekly As well as numerous charters to Florida (7 different airlines), 2 weekly to Puerto Plata, weekly to Cancun, Mexico and the piloting of Barbados and Cuba. We also have 8.1 million pax compared to around 6m back then and a bumper summer ahead. Quote: Also seem to remember a rumour that QF wanted to op EX GLA before the new international pier was in place but was unable to handle the additional trafffic. Think this was also the same time tha LH wanted to op the 747F into GLA that ultimately went the way of PIK. David Forget Qantas. They couldn't even make MAN stick. We should be hoping for big Asians hubs like HKG, SIN, KUL, BKK a-la MAN to feed Aussie flights in the future. For the present Emirates are happily cleaning up. So you are blaming low demand now rather than BAA missmanagement? Let's be honest. A few key Euro routes would make everything rosy and the PIK effect hasn't helped. Clive Back to top eurogen Guest Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well dperston Quote: NW D10's 4 times a week and daily in summer BA 1011's 4 times a week AA daily? United daily AC 3 times per week and 9 times per week in summer Now what do we have? Also seem to remember a rumour that QF wanted to op EX GLA before the new international pier was in place but was unable to handle the additional trafffic. Think this was also the same time tha LH wanted to op the 747F into GLA that ultimately went the way of PIK. David Yes, Just shows how fickle the the whole thing can be. One should remember though that 1/ NW pulled out after tieing in with KLM, the pax transitting through AMS. 2/ BA had no intention of making a success of any GLA long haul route(just like MAN), cos they wanted the transit pax through LHR.3/ AA are still here and rumoured to be returning to year-round ops.4/ There are now many more services between GLA and Canada than there has ever been before.5/ BAA knocked back the DLH cargo business that ultimately went the way of PIK which ultimately went the way of EMA because DLH were dissatisfied with the handling and service at PIK! The Emirates service is a different kettle of fish altogether.Emirates have never binned a long-haul route once it has been established and this route is designed to cut out pax having to transit through other euro airports! Back to top David Guest Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: EK doing well "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote Quote: "David" <dperston (AT) rim (DOT) net> wrote in message news:8d95a93e.0404191615.24a2c237 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com... "The flights are already 95% full for July," he said. "We made a profit in our first week on the route, which is almost unheard of." Sheppard said other carriers offering direct flights to international 'hub' airports were now on the cards. "You're looking at flights like Glasgow-Bangkok or Singapore and Hong Kong - big airports where you get a lot of transfers to and from." " Clive Read this on the internet. Im also old and cynical enough to remember the rush of TX traffic during the early 90's. If I remember at its peak we had : NW D10's 4 times a week and daily in summer BA 1011's 4 times a week AA daily? United daily AC 3 times per week and 9 times per week in summer Now what do we have? Across the pond we have: CO daily AC daily summer only AA daily summer only US daily summer only Zoom 6 weekly Air Transat 4 weekly Thomas Cook daily My Travel 2 weekly As well as numerous charters to Florida (7 different airlines), 2 weekly to Puerto Plata, weekly to Cancun, Mexico and the piloting of Barbados and Cuba. We also have 8.1 million pax compared to around 6m back then and a bumper summer ahead. Not worried about the summer its the winter that concerns me. Quote: Also seem to remember a rumour that QF wanted to op EX GLA before the new international pier was in place but was unable to handle the additional trafffic. Think this was also the same time tha LH wanted to op the 747F into GLA that ultimately went the way of PIK. David Forget Qantas. They couldn't even make MAN stick. We should be hoping for big Asians hubs like HKG, SIN, KUL, BKK a-la MAN to feed Aussie flights in the future. For the present Emirates are happily cleaning up. So you are blaming low demand now rather than BAA missmanagement? Two things : - BAA missmanagement. To date GLA has always lagged behind in terms of parking spaces for aircraft. Always room for another car parking lot but then again they can charge the earth for them.Also runway could do with an a short extension at either end but that costs money with no guarantees that it will bring in extra revenue. BAA seems to have their hands tied over how to handle PIK which means I believe that GLA will continue to loose out to PIK until something in done about landing charges. Peak Time Traffic On The M8 The failure to complete the M74 extension that has people living on the Eastside of Glasgow, and I include Motherwell and Hamilton in this, going to EDI because it is easier to get there. Not shorter distance wise but quicker at peak travel times. Now they have got used to doing this not sure how GLA will be able to attract them back. Quote: Let's be honest. A few key Euro routes would make everything rosy and the PIK effect hasn't helped. 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