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Joe Curry
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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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The message <1119619865.487798.252480 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>
from "BBB" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> contains these words:
| Quote: | Previous EDI-MCOSFB flights by EAL using ex BAW 747-236´s had to
refuel at Bangor Maine outbound.
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The same refuelling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
| Quote: | Joe won´t remember those of course as he just drove around the peri
track at Ingliston and then disappeared out of sight whilst it was
taxying for departure and completely missed it ripping up the runway..
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Shouldn't you be complaining to BAA? They own the airport not me... BAA
also own
six other UK airports..are you saying they used faulty contractors and
materials on
EDI's runway? Are the same contractors responsible for the runways at
LGW/LHR/STN/ABZ/GLA/EDI/SOU?
Perhaps the CAA should also investigate? After all, loose runway
material is highly dangerous.
Anyone out there know why EDI's runway was ripped-up by an EAL jumbo that day?
We have to know if this is as serious as Blimpie makes it out to be..or
is he just trouble-making as usual?
Perhaps BAA may care to comment? It's their reputation that Blimpie is
questioning.?
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Phil Dubai jr
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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Joe Curry wrote:
| Quote: | The message <1119619865.487798.252480 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com
from "BBB"
Previous EDI-MCOSFB flights by EAL using ex BAW 747-236´s had to
refuel at Bangor Maine outbound.
The same refuelling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
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Ermmmmm , nope!
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | The message <1119619865.487798.252480 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com
from "BBB"
Previous EDI-MCOSFB flights by EAL using ex BAW 747-236´s had to
refuel at Bangor Maine outbound.
The same refuelling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
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Dunno what GLA has to do with this but since you ask the answer is no. In
fact there is an EAL 747-200 in flight as we speak flying direct from GLA to
SFB:
Airline Air Atlanta Europe
Flight Number 858
Departure City (Airport) Glasgow, Scotland, Great Britain (EGPF)
Departure Time 06/24/2005 04:49 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Orlando, FL (SFB)
Arrival Time 06/24/2005 05:28 PM
Remaining Flight Time 04:48
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status In Flight
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admin
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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The message <1119627262.165888.80070 (AT) g14g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>
from "Phil Dubai jr" <bizzer277 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> contains these words:
| Quote: | The same refueling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
Ermmmmm , nope!
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Rubbish..if EDI 742 departures need a tech stop to SFB, so does
Abbotsinch - unless
the things are leaving devoid of pax.
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | The message <1119619865.487798.252480 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com
from "BBB"
Previous EDI-MCOSFB flights by EAL using ex BAW 747-236´s had to
refuel at Bangor Maine outbound.
The same refuelling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
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Depends how full the planes are, I guess?
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Joe won´t remember those of course as he just drove around the peri
track at Ingliston and then disappeared out of sight whilst it was
taxying for departure and completely missed it ripping up the runway..
Shouldn't you be complaining to BAA? They own the airport not me... BAA
also own
six other UK airports..are you saying they used faulty contractors and
materials on
EDI's runway? Are the same contractors responsible for the runways at
LGW/LHR/STN/ABZ/GLA/EDI/SOU?
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Yes, I'm slightly amused by the implication that BAA deliberately maintain
an inferior quality runway at Edinburgh to their other airports. By
suggesting that he is simply lending credence to the notions that BAA
deliberately neglect EDI. Surely the runway at Edinburgh is made of the same
material, and maintained to the same standards, as Stansted, Gatwick and
elsewhere?
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Perhaps the CAA should also investigate? After all, loose runway
material is highly dangerous.
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Yes indeed. I do believe the professionalism of the EDI ground staff is
being mocked 
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Anyone out there know why EDI's runway was ripped-up by an EAL jumbo that
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Can anyone actually confirm that it was torn up at all, or did it just kick
up a load of crap in the grass by the side of the runway, as happens at
Heathrow and other BAA airport every day of the week? I seem to recall
similar allegations that the runway was ripped the last time a 747 visited
EDI a few weeks back in connection with the French rugby, and that proved to
be totally unfounded. Certainly the delay to other inbound aircraft was
minimal, so couldn't have been all that serious? Where were the re-surfacing
vehicles if the runway surface had been damaged?
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We have to know if this is as serious as Blimpie makes it out to be..or
is he just trouble-making as usual?
Perhaps BAA may care to comment? It's their reputation that Blimpie is
questioning.?
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Quite.
Callum.
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote
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"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:2005062416142866937 (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk...
The message <1119619865.487798.252480 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com
from "BBB"
Previous EDI-MCOSFB flights by EAL using ex BAW 747-236´s had to
refuel at Bangor Maine outbound.
The same refuelling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
Dunno what GLA has to do with this but since you ask the answer is no. In
fact there is an EAL 747-200 in flight as we speak flying direct from GLA
to
SFB:
Airline Air Atlanta Europe
Flight Number 858
Departure City (Airport) Glasgow, Scotland, Great Britain (EGPF)
Departure Time 06/24/2005 04:49 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Orlando, FL (SFB)
Arrival Time 06/24/2005 05:28 PM
Remaining Flight Time 04:48
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status In Flight
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Those 80 odd meters making all the difference? I'm quite surprised by that.
The runways at Edinburgh and Glasgow aren't too dis-similar in length.
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McTeir396@aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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I would like to add my points to this chat
1 I can't remember the last time a B742 departing GLA to SFB had to
refuel at Bangor. Like most widebodies now they fly direct.
2 Although the actual runway distance (tarmac)between GLA & EDI is not
to different, I understand that the TODA at GLA is a lot greater than
EDI, and infact GLA 23 is 50m longer than PIK 31 if my memory serves me
correctly
3 It is safe to say that both GLA & EDI runways are in very good nick,
with GLA in slightly better state as it just received its life renewal
upgrade a few years back. I gather EDI must be next in Scotland for
the BAA to upgrade.
4 I have no specific details on the incident you are referring to
about the B742 ripping up the runway but what I do know from my days
working at GLA AOU is that runway expansion joints were forever being
ripped out by departing wide bodies. The runway was always closed for
a period of 10 mins while the crap was cleaned up and then full
operations were resumed. This is a regular occurrence at airports
world-wide. Maintenance teams were always quickly on site to repair
the damage.
5 I would therefore suggest that it is particularly harsh to say
that BAA do not manage their sites well
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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The message <UcXue.23430$Vo6.6063 (AT) fe3 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> contains
these words:
| Quote: | The same refuelling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
Depends how full the planes are, I guess?
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They were always full from EDI, perhaps the loads were not so great from
Abbotsinch?
| Quote: | EDI's runway? Are the same contractors responsible for the runways at
LGW/LHR/STN/ABZ/GLA/EDI/SOU?
Yes, I'm slightly amused by the implication that BAA deliberately maintain
an inferior quality runway at Edinburgh to their other airports. By
suggesting that he is simply lending credence to the notions that BAA
deliberately neglect EDI. Surely the runway at Edinburgh is made of the same
material, and maintained to the same standards, as Stansted, Gatwick and
elsewhere?
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Of course..this deliberate disparaging of EDI by implication has got to stop.
Blimpie should hang his head in shame.
| Quote: | Perhaps the CAA should also investigate? After all, loose runway
material is highly dangerous.
Yes indeed. I do believe the professionalism of the EDI ground staff is
being mocked
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You may not remember this but the same mockery from Blimpie took place a
few years ago
and it was EDI Air Traffic Control that bore the brunt of Blimpie's
implications
| Quote: | Anyone out there know why EDI's runway was ripped-up by an EAL jumbo that
day?
Can anyone actually confirm that it was torn up at all, or did it just kick
up a load of crap in the grass by the side of the runway, as happens at
Heathrow and other BAA airport every day of the week? I seem to recall
similar allegations that the runway was ripped the last time a 747 visited
EDI a few weeks back in connection with the French rugby, and that proved to
be totally unfounded. Certainly the delay to other inbound aircraft was
minimal, so couldn't have been all that serious? Where were the re-surfacing
vehicles if the runway surface had been damaged?
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I think BAA might be investigating these implications from Blimpie, it
certainly must
be insulting to them, to say the least.
| Quote: | Perhaps BAA may care to comment? It's their reputation that Blimpie is
questioning.?
Quite.
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I have forwarded Blimpie's nonsense onto BAA, I sincerley hope they
defend themselves.
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The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway.
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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The message <ngXue.23431$Vo6.1575 (AT) fe3 (DOT) news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> contains
these words:
| Quote: | Those 80 odd meters making all the difference? I'm quite surprised by that.
The runways at Edinburgh and Glasgow aren't too dis-similar in length.
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Think about it.. how come EDI is targeted by the GLA Souls when similar
aircraft operate
from much shorter runways in the UK?
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The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway.
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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The message <d9hd7v$ebd$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk>
from "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> contains these words:
| Quote: | Dunno what GLA has to do with this but since you ask the answer is no. In
fact there is an EAL 747-200 in flight as we speak flying direct from
GLA to
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Which was the intention of EAL's flights from EDI... the deciding factor
being headwinds.
Get a grip Clive....
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Scotland's most convenient/accessible/profitable/airport
The International Gateway with Scotland's busiest runway.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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"Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d9hd7v$ebd$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk...
"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:2005062416142866937 (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk...
The message <1119619865.487798.252480 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com
from "BBB"
Previous EDI-MCOSFB flights by EAL using ex BAW 747-236´s had to
refuel at Bangor Maine outbound.
The same refuelling that's necessary as Abbotsinch departures using
these aircraft?
Dunno what GLA has to do with this but since you ask the answer is no. In
fact there is an EAL 747-200 in flight as we speak flying direct from GLA
to
SFB:
Airline Air Atlanta Europe
Flight Number 858
Departure City (Airport) Glasgow, Scotland, Great Britain (EGPF)
Departure Time 06/24/2005 04:49 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Orlando, FL (SFB)
Arrival Time 06/24/2005 05:28 PM
Remaining Flight Time 04:48
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status In Flight
Those 80 odd meters making all the difference? I'm quite surprised by
that.
The runways at Edinburgh and Glasgow aren't too dis-similar in length.
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I think it's all a load of bollocks anyway Callum. These EAL Jumbo's fly
direct from CWL-SFB and Cardiff's runway is shorter than EDI's. The fact is
there are no airlines requiring to fly long range flights with old 747's
regularly from EDI but why can't he talk about EDI's runway without talking
crap about GLA's? It's ironic that he made such a stupid and OT remark
minutes after said Jumbo passed my house heading direct to Sanford, Florida.
Incidently and since it's so topical 747's are going twice a week for the
next few weeks and continuing weekly until the October school holidays - an
increased programme on previous years.
Clive
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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The message <1119635685.611447.193880 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>
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| Quote: | 5 I would therefore suggest that it is particularly harsh to say
that BAA do not manage their sites well
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We are talking Blimpie here McTier, harsh on EDI and soft on Abbotsinch.. :-(
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | The message <d9hd7v$ebd$1 (AT) news6 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk
from "Clive Braham"
Dunno what GLA has to do with this but since you ask the answer is no. In
fact there is an EAL 747-200 in flight as we speak flying direct from
GLA to
Which was the intention of EAL's flights from EDI... the deciding factor
being headwinds.
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It's not me casting aspertions. Of course the flights of today's bull could
operate from EDI - if an airline wanted to. Now tell me why you had to start
all this in a thread supposedly about EDI in relation to PIK? You brought
GLA into it as usual and I happened to have the FACTS to hand to prove you
wrong again.
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Get a grip Clive....
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Joe if I ever need your advice I will ask.
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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I have forwarded Blimpie's nonsense onto BAA, I sincerley hope they
defend themselves.
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Along with screeds of your EDI mismanagement bull and the URL of your
anti-BAA web page?
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: EDI's runway: was Re: Prestwick...why is it? |
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The message <d9hi83$k3j$1 (AT) newsg2 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk>
from "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> contains these words:
| Quote: | Incidently and since it's so topical 747's are going twice a week for the
next few weeks and continuing weekly until the October school holidays - an
increased programme on previous years.
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Increased programme? Because EDI's terminal facilities are not upto
Jumbo standards.?
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