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 Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:57 am Post subject: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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Source: Evening News
City link demand for new station
SAM HALSTEAD
CITY chiefs are to meet with rail bosses to demand the Capital’s
flagship Glasgow service stops at the new Edinburgh Park station.
Council leader Donald Anderson said today it was "unacceptable" that
commuters on the Edinburgh-Glasgow line could not board or depart at
the £4.5 million station - which serves the Capital’s biggest
business and finance park.
Passengers can reach Edinburgh Park by travelling on the Crossrail
scheme, which links stations in the east such as Newcraighall and
Brunstane with Bathgate and Dunblane in the west.
But travellers coming from Glasgow who want to reach Edinburgh Park
must either carry on right through to Haymarket and change, or jump
off at Linlithgow and board the Dunblane service.
Councillor Anderson said: "I am meeting with ScotRail in the near
future and this issue will be central to that meeting. It makes
perfect sense for a stop at that point, but it beggars belief that
it is so difficult to get it done. Patronage figures on the entire
Crossrail route already show a marked increase since the opening of
the new station.
"On current passenger numbers, 187,200 annual trips are projected
for the station, which would result in the station operating with an
excellent profit ratio."
The city’s transport leader also backed the call for Edinburgh Park
to be added to the Edinburgh-Glasgow service.
Councillor Andrew Burns said: "We will be pushing our case very
forcefully. Obviously, the addition of Edinburgh Park to Crossrail
has been a fantastic boost to Edinburgh’s suburban rail network.
"There is no doubt having the Edinburgh-Glasgow line stopping there
would be a very significant boost, particularly for people
travelling between the two cities and those working at Edinburgh
Park."
Rail passenger groups today welcomed the demands for Edinburgh Park
to be included on the flagship line, but stressed the impact on
journey times would also have to be looked at.
Robert Samson, of the Rail Passenger Committee Scotland, said: "We
would like to see stops at Edinburgh Park for the Edinburgh-Glasgow
service.
"But other things need to be taken into consideration such as
journey times and the impact on the timetable. But in principle, we
would want this."
A spokeswoman for ScotRail, which leases the station on the western
fringes of the city, said the company was focusing on the Crossrail
scheme, but left the door open for a stop at Edinburgh Park. It has
always been suggested there will be a stop at Edinburgh Park for the
Edinburgh-Glasgow service.
"It will be a matter for the next franchise. We are focusing on
Crossrail and making sure the station is embedded in the timetable."
The ScotRail franchise runs out in October.
Edinburgh Park, which opened last month, was funded by Edinburgh
City Council and New Edinburgh Initiatives, with £1.9m provided by
the Strategic Rail Authority.
It was originally expected to be unveiled around June, but a string
of hitches and wrangles - including a bitter dispute over
restrictions on when work could be carried out - held up the
project.
Last month, it emerged the station had been built without any
toilets. Rail bosses said toilets were not needed at the unmanned
station.
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Fraser
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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One minute they want the Edinburgh-Glasgow service to be faster, the next he
wants it to stop at yet another place. These "transport bosses" just canny
make up their minds.
"fox1" <fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote
| Quote: | Source: Evening News
City link demand for new station
SAM HALSTEAD
CITY chiefs are to meet with rail bosses to demand the Capital's
flagship Glasgow service stops at the new Edinburgh Park station.
Council leader Donald Anderson said today it was "unacceptable" that
commuters on the Edinburgh-Glasgow line could not board or depart at
the £4.5 million station - which serves the Capital's biggest
business and finance park.
Passengers can reach Edinburgh Park by travelling on the Crossrail
scheme, which links stations in the east such as Newcraighall and
Brunstane with Bathgate and Dunblane in the west.
But travellers coming from Glasgow who want to reach Edinburgh Park
must either carry on right through to Haymarket and change, or jump
off at Linlithgow and board the Dunblane service.
Councillor Anderson said: "I am meeting with ScotRail in the near
future and this issue will be central to that meeting. It makes
perfect sense for a stop at that point, but it beggars belief that
it is so difficult to get it done. Patronage figures on the entire
Crossrail route already show a marked increase since the opening of
the new station.
"On current passenger numbers, 187,200 annual trips are projected
for the station, which would result in the station operating with an
excellent profit ratio."
The city's transport leader also backed the call for Edinburgh Park
to be added to the Edinburgh-Glasgow service.
Councillor Andrew Burns said: "We will be pushing our case very
forcefully. Obviously, the addition of Edinburgh Park to Crossrail
has been a fantastic boost to Edinburgh's suburban rail network.
"There is no doubt having the Edinburgh-Glasgow line stopping there
would be a very significant boost, particularly for people
travelling between the two cities and those working at Edinburgh
Park."
Rail passenger groups today welcomed the demands for Edinburgh Park
to be included on the flagship line, but stressed the impact on
journey times would also have to be looked at.
Robert Samson, of the Rail Passenger Committee Scotland, said: "We
would like to see stops at Edinburgh Park for the Edinburgh-Glasgow
service.
"But other things need to be taken into consideration such as
journey times and the impact on the timetable. But in principle, we
would want this."
A spokeswoman for ScotRail, which leases the station on the western
fringes of the city, said the company was focusing on the Crossrail
scheme, but left the door open for a stop at Edinburgh Park. It has
always been suggested there will be a stop at Edinburgh Park for the
Edinburgh-Glasgow service.
"It will be a matter for the next franchise. We are focusing on
Crossrail and making sure the station is embedded in the timetable."
The ScotRail franchise runs out in October.
Edinburgh Park, which opened last month, was funded by Edinburgh
City Council and New Edinburgh Initiatives, with £1.9m provided by
the Strategic Rail Authority.
It was originally expected to be unveiled around June, but a string
of hitches and wrangles - including a bitter dispute over
restrictions on when work could be carried out - held up the
project.
Last month, it emerged the station had been built without any
toilets. Rail bosses said toilets were not needed at the unmanned
station.
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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"Fraser" <fraser (AT) lanakil (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | One minute they want the Edinburgh-Glasgow service to be faster, the next
he
wants it to stop at yet another place. These "transport bosses" just canny
make up their minds.
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I've always advocated four trains an hour, a half-hourly non-stop service
from Edinburgh to Glasgow, and a half hourly 'stopping' service which (in
theory) could serve Edinburgh Park, but I suspect there would only be
sufficient demand for this at peak times. I know one or two folk who commute
from Glasgow to work at Edinburgh Park, but probably not enough to justify a
stop at Edinburgh Park on *every* Waverley-Queen Street train.
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fox1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:14:58 -0000, "Fraser"
<fraser (AT) lanakil (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | One minute they want the Edinburgh-Glasgow service to be faster, the next he
wants it to stop at yet another place. These "transport bosses" just canny
make up their minds.
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Some stops could be forfeited...  )
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David Hansen
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:06:24 -0000 someone who may be "Callum
Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote this:-
| Quote: | I've always advocated four trains an hour, a half-hourly non-stop service
from Edinburgh to Glasgow, and a half hourly 'stopping' service
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The line would need to be electrified, so that the stopping service
could accelerate rapidly enough not to be caught up by the fast
train. I doubt if Falkirk High deserves four trains an hour and
would move some of these stops to Edinburgh Park.
| Quote: | which (in
theory) could serve Edinburgh Park, but I suspect there would only be
sufficient demand for this at peak times.
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Probably, to begin with.
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fox1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:06:24 -0000, "Callum Johnstone"
<callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | One minute they want the Edinburgh-Glasgow service to be faster, the next
he wants it to stop at yet another place. These "transport bosses" just canny
make up their minds.
I've always advocated four trains an hour, a half-hourly non-stop service
from Edinburgh to Glasgow, and a half hourly 'stopping' service which (in
theory) could serve Edinburgh Park, but I suspect there would only be
sufficient demand for this at peak times. I know one or two folk who commute
from Glasgow to work at Edinburgh Park, but probably not enough to justify a
stop at Edinburgh Park on *every* Waverley-Queen Street train.
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Your 'timetable' seems sensible. :-)
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fox1
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:12:20 +0000, David Hansen
<SENDdavidNOhSPAM (AT) spidacom (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | The line would need to be electrified, so that the stopping service
could accelerate rapidly enough not to be caught up by the fast
train.
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Sensible solution, electrification should have been carried out
decades ago...
Why wasn't it.?
| Quote: | I doubt if Falkirk High deserves four trains an hour and
would move some of these stops to Edinburgh Park.
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Yes and cut out some Haymarket stops.
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BLIMPS
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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"fox1" <fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote
| Quote: | On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:12:20 +0000, David Hansen
[email]SENDdavidNOhSPAM (AT) spidacom (DOT) co.uk[/email]> wrote:
The line would need to be electrified, so that the stopping service
could accelerate rapidly enough not to be caught up by the fast
train.
Sensible solution, electrification should have been carried out
decades ago...
Why wasn't it.?
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Maybe it will when Crossrail's built?
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David Hansen
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:29:52 +0000 someone who may be fox1
<fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote this:-
| Quote: | Sensible solution, electrification should have been carried out
decades ago...
Why wasn't it.?
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It was evaluated by the Regions concerned in the early 1990s, using
the same criteria as are used for roads. The result was that it had
more priority than any road scheme. Of course the Scottish Office
did precisely nothing about this.
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Joe Curry
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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The message <1qjt009vbk9tjq2qvc969e9aul37at8tf9 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>
from David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhSPAM (AT) spidacom (DOT) co.uk> contains these words:
| Quote: | Sensible solution, electrification should have been carried out
decades ago...
Why wasn't it.?
It was evaluated by the Regions concerned in the early 1990s, using
the same criteria as are used for roads. The result was that it had
more priority than any road scheme. Of course the Scottish Office
did precisely nothing about this.
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Par for the course and latterley they are throwing some £1/2bn into the
M74 extension.
The money would have been better spent on electrifying railways...
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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"Joe Curry" <ability (AT) zetnet (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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Par for the course and latterley they are throwing some £1/2bn into the
M74 extension.
The money would have been better spent on electrifying railways...
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But not in the west, eh?
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Gusty
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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fox1 <fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote
| Quote: | On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:12:20 +0000, David Hansen
[email]SENDdavidNOhSPAM (AT) spidacom (DOT) co.uk[/email]> wrote:
The line would need to be electrified, so that the stopping service
could accelerate rapidly enough not to be caught up by the fast
train.
Sensible solution, electrification should have been carried out
decades ago...
Why wasn't it.?
I doubt if Falkirk High deserves four trains an hour and
would move some of these stops to Edinburgh Park.
Yes and cut out some Haymarket stops.
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Yet more drivel from JC.
Approx 50% of passengers on the route use Haymarket as their Edinburgh stop.
Did you retire before the railways were built Joe ?
Gusty
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BLIMPS
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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"Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | fox1 <fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:12:20 +0000, David Hansen
[email]SENDdavidNOhSPAM (AT) spidacom (DOT) co.uk[/email]> wrote:
The line would need to be electrified, so that the stopping service
could accelerate rapidly enough not to be caught up by the fast
train.
Sensible solution, electrification should have been carried out
decades ago...
Why wasn't it.?
I doubt if Falkirk High deserves four trains an hour and
would move some of these stops to Edinburgh Park.
Yes and cut out some Haymarket stops.
Yet more drivel from JC.
Approx 50% of passengers on the route use Haymarket as their Edinburgh
stop. |
Still, it shows he knows less about rail transport than he does about air
transport, and that ain't much ;-)
| Quote: | Did you retire before the railways were built Joe ?
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LOL!
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!Speedy Gonzales!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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"Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | Yes and cut out some Haymarket stops.
Yet more drivel from JC.
Approx 50% of passengers on the route use Haymarket as their Edinburgh
stop. |
Then it's simple, cut out 50% of the Haymarket stops!
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"Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | fox1 <fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:12:20 +0000, David Hansen
[email]SENDdavidNOhSPAM (AT) spidacom (DOT) co.uk[/email]> wrote:
The line would need to be electrified, so that the stopping service
could accelerate rapidly enough not to be caught up by the fast
train.
Sensible solution, electrification should have been carried out
decades ago...
Why wasn't it.?
I doubt if Falkirk High deserves four trains an hour and
would move some of these stops to Edinburgh Park.
Yes and cut out some Haymarket stops.
Yet more drivel from JC.
Approx 50% of passengers on the route use Haymarket as their Edinburgh
stop.
Did you retire before the railways were built Joe ?
Gusty
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BLIMPS
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh Park stop boosting airport access.? |
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"!Speedy Gonzales!" <speedygonzales (AT) OBVIOUSblueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
message news:tIUPb.6826$7A3.77968400 (AT) news-text (DOT) cableinet.net...
| Quote: | "Gusty" <david (AT) davidspence (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
news:8229223a.0401220031.3198b620 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Yes and cut out some Haymarket stops.
Yet more drivel from JC.
Approx 50% of passengers on the route use Haymarket as their Edinburgh
stop.
Then it's simple, cut out 50% of the Haymarket stops!
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Great idea! That means 50% of the trains terminate at Haymarket and the
other 50% terminate at Waverley and don't stop at Haymarket. Why haven't
Scotrail thought of this?!!
BLIMPS  )))
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