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blimpie
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 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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I reckon a Crossrail link should be a priority for Glasgow/GLA,
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John Dundas
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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"Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote
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"blimpie" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:bi07k7$bvm$1 (AT) hercules (DOT) btinternet.com...
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5018464.html
I reckon a Crossrail link should be a priority for Glasgow/GLA,
Firstly, the Executive is not the "Edinburgh government", it is the
Scottish
Executive. The First Minister is, of course, from the west, and the
Transport Minister, Nicol Stephen, comes from Aberdeen.
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I agree with you Callum, it is the Scottish Executive. Jon I would suggest
if your going too post artilces from a newspaper, please use the headline
the newspaper is using rather than your own. It will save problems with
people shouting their mouths off about et articles being posted in this
newsgroup. The way I do it is too post the article in full then comment in a
seperate posting.
| Quote: | Secondly, the GLA rail link is going ahead. It is actually at a more
advanced stage of planning than the EDI link, and will be delivered a full
two years before the EDI link.
Thirdly, the GLA rail link is not dependent on Crossrail being given the
go-ahead. It will run initially as four trains per hour between the
airport
and Glasgow Central. That's certainly better than nothing at all.
Crossrail
will eventually happen, I'm certain. The pressure is there, and it would
benefit commuters more widely than simply those travelling to the airport.
There's a sound case for it.
Like Blimpie I agree that GLA should ultimately have cross-Scotland rail
links, but I also think EDI should be able to enjoy similar national
transport links. Money spent improving public transport is always money
well
spent, IMO! 
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I argee with you Callum.............
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Adrian Tupper
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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"John Dundas" <j.m.dundas (AT) btinternet (DOT) spamcom> wrote in
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I agree with you Callum, it is the Scottish Executive. Jon I would
suggest if your going too post artilces from a newspaper, please use
the headline the newspaper is using rather than your own. It will save
problems with people shouting their mouths off about et articles being
posted in this newsgroup. The way I do it is too post the article in
full then comment in a seperate posting.
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Excellent suggestion :-)
Regarding rail links. If there was a direct GLA-GQS-EDI-Waverley
service
then to what extent would that help synergies between the two airports?
Or to turn the question around, would airlines realise they only need
to serve one of the two airports rather than both?
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Adrian
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2003 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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"Adrian Tupper" <adrian.tupper (AT) totalise (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | Regarding rail links. If there was a direct GLA-GQS-EDI-Waverley
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then to what extent would that help synergies between the two airports?
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Huh?!
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Or to turn the question around, would airlines realise they only need
to serve one of the two airports rather than both?
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Ah!
Well, I doubt there would be the capacity at only one of the airports for
airlines to close up en mass at one and move their entire Scottish operation
to the other. I can't imagine BAA would allow it, anyway!
I don't think the rail links, in themselves, will make the notion of a
Central Scotland 'hub' (albeit at one of the existing central belt airports)
any more attainable or indeed any more attractive.
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Adrian Tupper
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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"Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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It would make sense to have a through service and I don't think it
would negatively effect either airport. You would not get many people
alighting at EDI from GLA and vice versa but you would get folk going
from Waverley to GLA and EDI to GQS.
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That's what I mean. Someone like Easyjet would not support AMS services
at both airports if it can get away with one.
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Adrian
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Adrian Tupper
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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"Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnstone (AT) blueyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
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Well, I doubt there would be the capacity at only one of the airports
for airlines to close up en mass at one and move their entire Scottish
operation to the other. I can't imagine BAA would allow it, anyway!
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BAA don't choose. Unless you believe in categorisation that is.
I wasn't suggesting that one airport would cope with traffic from both.
More like airlines would not offer services from both if they can get
away with just one. So GLA would be even less likely to get Euro
flights and EDI less likely to get tx flights even than now.
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I don't think the rail links, in themselves, will make the notion of a
Central Scotland 'hub' (albeit at one of the existing central belt
airports) any more attainable or indeed any more attractive.
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That was one suggetion. But not realistic. Central Scotland Airport
"West" and "East" terminals. Hardly a hub. Although routings
can mean transit between LHR and LGW sometimes.
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Adrian
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Clive Braham
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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"John Dundas" <j.m.dundas (AT) btinternet (DOT) spamcom> wrote
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"Adrian Tupper" <adrian.tupper (AT) totalise (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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"John Dundas" <j.m.dundas (AT) btinternet (DOT) spamcom> wrote in
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I agree with you Callum, it is the Scottish Executive. Jon I would
suggest if your going too post artilces from a newspaper, please use
the headline the newspaper is using rather than your own. It will save
problems with people shouting their mouths off about et articles being
posted in this newsgroup. The way I do it is too post the article in
full then comment in a seperate posting.
Excellent suggestion :-)
Thank you Adrain.
Regarding rail links. If there was a direct GLA-GQS-EDI-Waverley
service then to what extent would that help synergies between the two
airports?
Or to turn the question around, would airlines realise they only need
to serve one of the two airports rather than both?
--
Adrian
Well that is a good question..............maybe yes and maybe no. It would
certainly cut the travelling time down for people who want too use both
airports from the East and the West.
It would make sense to have a through service and I don't think it would |
negatively effect either airport. You would not get many people alighting at
EDI from GLA and vice versa but you would get folk going from Waverley to
GLA and EDI to GQS.
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blimpie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2003 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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| Quote: | That was one suggetion. But not realistic. Central Scotland Airport
"West" and "East" terminals. Hardly a hub. Although routings
can mean transit between LHR and LGW sometimes.
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Remember the S-61 (Sea King) Shuttle between them?
Blimps
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Callum Johnstone
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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Adrian Tupper <adrian.tupper (AT) totalise (DOT) co.uk> wrote
| Quote: | BAA don't choose. Unless you believe in categorisation that is.
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No, I don't believe in categorisation. Both airports should be able to
offer a range of services. I doubt having rail links to (or between)
both airports would change BAA's aspiration to attract more Euro
routes to GLA, or transatlantic to EDI.
| Quote: | I wasn't suggesting that one airport would cope with traffic from both.
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My misunderstanding. Apologies.
| Quote: | More like airlines would not offer services from both if they can get
away with just one. So GLA would be even less likely to get Euro
flights and EDI less likely to get tx flights even than now.
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I would be surprised if that was the outcome of installing rail links
to the two airports. After all, I would imagine that even after the
links are in place, the majority of passengers will still access the
airports by private car or taxi rather than via public transport. The
rail links will probably encourage some to abandon their cars, but
will it be enough to prompt the airlines to abandon any plans they may
have to introduce new services? ... I hope not!
| Quote: | That was one suggetion. But not realistic. Central Scotland Airport
"West" and "East" terminals. Hardly a hub. Although routings
can mean transit between LHR and LGW sometimes.
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Yes indeed. But I think that BAA's plan to develop a range of services
at both GLA and EDI is the best way forward.
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Adrian Tupper
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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"blimpie" <blimpie (AT) btopenworld (DOT) com> wrote in news:bi3fs0$qmh$1
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| Quote: | That was one suggetion. But not realistic. Central Scotland Airport
"West" and "East" terminals. Hardly a hub. Although routings
can mean transit between LHR and LGW sometimes.
Remember the S-61 (Sea King) Shuttle between them?
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Didn't know it was a Sea King, but yes I remember the heli link.
Is it just coach on the M25 now?
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Adrian
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blimpie
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2003 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Edinburgh govenment try to stop GLA rail link |
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| Quote: | Remember the S-61 (Sea King) Shuttle between them?
Didn't know it was a Sea King, but yes I remember the heli link.
Is it just coach on the M25 now?
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Yes, it was a S-61 in BCal c/s, and yes again I think it's by coach on the
M25 which makes the M8 'slog' look like a country lane in comparison ;-)
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