AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Edinburgh Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ **Widebody** referring to aircraft in excess of B767 size upwards. ie; A330/A340/B777/B747 There are no stands at EDI that can handle aircraft larger than B767, in terms of wingspan without displacing stands either side. BAA's literature on available (2006)stands states. Small = 18 Medium = 10 Large = 3 Jumbo = 0 A breakdown on these size samples.. Small B737-600, Embraer, BAe 146 Medium B757, A319 Large B767 Jumbo B747, B777 Source: Edinburgh Airport Master Plan July 2006 OK, EDI has 3 stands (plus block 33, but we'll leave that for now) that are capable of handling widebodied aircraft. This from BAA.. May 2005: (EDI currently has 26 aircraft parking stands of various sizes. including two jumbo stands which can accommodate Boeing 747 aircraft but which are more generally used to accommodate 2 medium-sized aircraft each) The regulars amongst you will notice 6A and 12 are not used generally, this is because they infringe the 2 stands either side of them, namely 5 and 6, or 11 and 14. 16 is a slightly better option, as the stands on that ramp are less used, except that it is a remote stand at the moment, and until BAA build a walkway, moving a full widebodied load of passengers by bus requires more bus drivers and cargo handling etc equipment than BAA can easily dedicate to the task. Also 6 is generally used by the regular Midland Heathrow flight, and 14 is the Irish EasyJet and FlyBe flights, so they're stands the airport can not do without for a long period. The problem with having a regular flight is that it will seriously reduce the available stands on the main apron at EDI for the duration it's here - plus various other considerations during pushback etc that require different procedures. If it's timed when the airport is quiet, great, except it takes probably near on 3 hours (at an absolute minimum) to turn one around, and there isn't a 3+ hour quiet time at the airport anymore. Also, the operators, be it Emirates, EAL, Virgin, whoever, want to schedule their flights when they want them, not when the airport says they can have them, which isn't necessarily ideal from a stand allocation perspective. So, that's why it's said EDI has no widebody stands. Not strictly true, but logistics almost dictate that it is true. ------------ Abridged from a post to alt.airports.uk.edinburgh on 3rd. August 2005 Acknowledgements to edi spotter Updated by Joe Curry 28/09/06 www.edinburghairport.org.uk The web portal for Scotland's most convenient/accessible airport. http://www2.germanwings.com/en/images/edinburgh_en.gif Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ "Joe Curry" <EDIagenda (AT) HAGGISedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote in message news:okra03dl80686jk2noismdl9qifogf6rvm (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:08:27 -0000, "Clive Braham" clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote:in reply to this So, that's why it's said EDI has no widebody stands. Not strictly true, but logistics almost dictate that it is true. Not strickly true being the operative words. Plus none of the 3 operators you mention serve EDI on a regular basis at the moment. If they did want to they would most certainly be accomodated. I doubt it, any regular 'daily' A330 would be hard pushed to find accommodation at EDI. A dedicated EDI stand would have been provided by a proactive owner. Really? I won't ask for a source. BAA can afford to be reactive of course - they Quote: just send the regular A330s to Abbotsinch. Not a penny being lost in the process. That's incorrect. What A330's are at GLA that would rather be at EDI? If the need did arise it would be catered for at EDI. If what you are saying is even slightly true there wouldn't even be a debate about where EK's next Scottish flight, if there is one, will be form. You are doing EDI nothing but a disservice. Quote: I ask you, who would lose 2 stands at EDI in order to accomodate ONE regular aircraft? An owner who can send it elsewhere without losing income? EDI ops are quite capable of assigning stands. There are experts there who do it for a living. Clive Back to top B Guest Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ On Mar 25, 10:03 am, "Callum Johnstone" <callumjohnst...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Quote: "Joe Curry" <EDIage...@HAGGISedinburghairport.org.uk> wrote in message news:okra03dl80686jk2noismdl9qifogf6rvm (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:08:27 -0000, "Clive Braham" c...@braham5.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:in reply to this So, that's why it's said EDI has no widebody stands. Not strictly true, but logistics almost dictate that it is true. Not strickly true being the operative words. Plus none of the 3 operators you mention serve EDI on a regular basis at the moment. If they did want to they would most certainly be accomodated. I doubt it, any regular 'daily' A330 would be hard pushed to find accommodation at EDI. A dedicated EDI stand would have been provided by a proactive owner. BAA can afford to be reactive of course - they just send the regular A330s to Abbotsinch. Not a penny being lost in the process. I ask you, who would lose 2 stands at EDI in order to accomodate ONE regular aircraft? An owner who can send it elsewhere without losing income? Joe, do you have Google Earth at all? If so I would encourage you to have a look at EDI. You can clearly see the yellow line denoting stand 6A. You can also clearly see that the thing could accommodate an A380 quite happily and would have NO effect on the stands either side, not unless the wings are a very odd shape indeed! Please let's stop this nonsense, because it simply isn't true. <snipped> Jeez oh, you could lose your yappers membership for this But well said, now, pick a wall along with JD and Clive. B Back to top John Dundas Guest Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Re: EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ "Joe Curry" <EDIagenda (AT) HAGGISedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote in message news:03ad03djlhi2odg2egrd92i136lb61gve2 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:30:21 -0000, Jim Mason jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk> wrote:in reply to this **Widebody** referring to aircraft in excess of B767 size upwards. ie; A330/A340/B777/B747 ie. ***Everyone knows 767s and A310s are widebodies***! *scratches head* You must have have worn a hole in your head by this time :-( Gasp..what's wrong with you people...EDI does not have a terminal widebody stand it can use on a regular daily basis without depriving stands on either side of it. CAN WE AT LEAST AGREE ON THAT? Have you asked BAA why they are not providing a dedicated 24/7 widebody stand then? Back to top John Dundas Guest Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ "Joe Curry" <EDIagenda (AT) HAGGISedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote in message news:u7pf039bcqsosjsqia4ip7hs4bifgk1ao5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:16:02 +0100, "Clive Braham" clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote:in reply to this Scrub out the adjacent two lines so that a "dedicated Jumbo stand" can sit empty most of the year just to please you? Nah, EDI know what they need better than anyone that's for sure. Construct a dedicated stand might be sensible? EDI needs more stands any dedicated stand would not lie empty, large aircraft or not. So it will not be a DEDICATED stand then but a multi-role stand that supports all sizes of aircraft? Even a A380??? Back to top John Dundas Guest Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ "Joe Curry" <EDIagenda (AT) HAGGISedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote in message news:mapf03dhrbc3e8qerpe6il2ro3qu4gbrdo (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:04:23 +0100, "Clive Braham" clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote:in reply to this Please can we have a bit of common sense here, and a little less propaganda? It's my humble opinion that these 'opinions' do EDI more harm than good. Yes, that's what I thought too. Wrong..telling it like it is is not propaganda, it's fact. BAA should do something about it and construct a suitable dedicated stand and lounge to accommodate. So how much would this dedicated stand and lounge be used then? Surely a multipurpose stand/lounge would be better business? Back to top John Dundas Guest Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: EDI **WIDEBODY** STANDS - FAQ "Joe Curry" <EDIagenda (AT) HAGGISedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote in message news:5jpf03dmeffpf054udcsn017m0motcad10 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Quote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:08:43 +0100, "John Dundas" j.m.dundas(removethisnow)@btinternet.com> wrote:in reply to this Have you asked BAA why they are not providing a dedicated 24/7 widebody stand then? Seems they don't want to be drawn..why? So what response did you get from them? 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