AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  EDI runway for long haul Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Edinburgh Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Dave Hill Guest Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:26 pm    Post subject: EDI runway for long haul With the expected recent posts on the GLA route to the Middle East, I have been wondering. I'm not up to date on the runway lengths of Edi and GLA, but would EDI be able to take an A330 or A310 taking off fully loaded for a non stop flight to Dubai or Pakistan? Just curious. The same question comes up in my head about GLA's runway, but since this is a EDI newsgroup.... Thanks, Dave Back to top CAB Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul Hi Dave. Aircraft are getting more and more advanced, more powerful and require less runway than the aircraft of 10 years ago. The runway length at Edinburgh is sufficient for a medium/long haul flight. It of course depends on aircraft type, temp density, runway condition. In the short answer, yes Edinburgh's runway could support a flight to DXB just like Glasgow can. In fact you may want to know that there is not much difference between EDI and GLA runways, a stones throw away if you like. Then of course there is the whole bunch of "My Airports Better than yours" people that will jump on this thread but Dave there is not much difference, I know that there is a few extra V1 kt's as well as a increased payload off a average ..0.6% from Glasgow on a B757 at MTOW. The longest I saw was a Air Dabia Boeing 747-200 rotate at 8000FT of the runway, The trim set all the way back and you could really see it struggle. It was a long hall charter with Govt delegates and press on board. It went direct but if it was full of pax it would have made a stop somewhere. "Dave Hill" <hill (AT) cam (DOT) org> wrote Quote: With the expected recent posts on the GLA route to the Middle East, I have been wondering. I'm not up to date on the runway lengths of Edi and GLA, but would EDI be able to take an A330 or A310 taking off fully loaded for a non stop flight to Dubai or Pakistan? Just curious. The same question comes up in my head about GLA's runway, but since this is a EDI newsgroup.... Thanks, Dave Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul "CAB" <cab (AT) cab (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Hi Dave. Aircraft are getting more and more advanced, more powerful and require less runway than the aircraft of 10 years ago. The runway length at Edinburgh is sufficient for a medium/long haul flight. It of course depends on aircraft type, temp density, runway condition. In the short answer, yes Edinburgh's runway could support a flight to DXB just like Glasgow can. In fact you may want to know that there is not much difference between EDI and GLA runways, a stones throw away if you like. Then of course there is the whole bunch of "My Airports Better than yours" people that will jump on this thread but Dave there is not much difference, I know that there is a few extra V1 kt's as well as a increased payload off a average ..0.6% from Glasgow on a B757 at MTOW. The longest I saw was a Air Dabia Boeing 747-200 rotate at 8000FT of the runway, The trim set all the way back and you could really see it struggle. It was a long hall charter with Govt delegates and press on board. It went direct but if it was full of pax it would have made a stop somewhere. "Dave Hill" <hill (AT) cam (DOT) org> wrote in message news:BBE6AC70.28CDE%hill (AT) cam (DOT) org... With the expected recent posts on the GLA route to the Middle East, I have been wondering. I'm not up to date on the runway lengths of Edi and GLA, but would EDI be able to take an A330 or A310 taking off fully loaded for a non stop flight to Dubai or Pakistan? Just curious. The same question comes up in my head about GLA's runway, but since this is a EDI newsgroup.... Thanks, Dave Even Air Force One went direct Teeside - Washington. That was a shocker. The captain must have been flying by the seat of his pants! Back to top Joe Curry Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul The message <BBE6AC70.28CDE%hill (AT) cam (DOT) org> from Dave Hill <hill (AT) cam (DOT) org> contains these words: Quote: With the expected recent posts on the GLA route to the Middle East, I have been wondering. I'm not up to date on the runway lengths of Edi and GLA, but would EDI be able to take an A330 or A310 taking off fully loaded for a non stop flight to Dubai or Pakistan? Just curious. The same question comes up in my head about GLA's runway, but since this is a EDI newsgroup.... See CAB's excellent reply Dave... Also see the EDI capable FAQ posted a few days earlier than usual. Back to top fox1 Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:26:56 -0500, Dave Hill <hill (AT) cam (DOT) org> wrote: Quote: With the expected recent posts on the GLA route to the Middle East, I have been wondering. I'm not up to date on the runway lengths of Edi and GLA, but would EDI be able to take an A330 or A310 taking off fully loaded for a non stop flight to Dubai or Pakistan? Just curious. The same question comes up in my head about GLA's runway, but since this is a EDI newsgroup.... Welcome back Dave...long time no hear? Still over in Canada.? Back to top fox1 Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:05:07 +0100, "CAB" <cab (AT) cab (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: I know that there is a few extra V1 kt's as well as a increased payload off a average ..0.6% from Glasgow on a B757 at MTOW. If the 'prediction' made by Donal Dowds that EDI will be getting starter-strips at both ends of the runway come to fruition, that 0.6% advantage will be cancelled-out.? There are similar runways to EDI's current length at other fields in the UK that handle long-haul.? Going back to EDI's starter strips - if it does indeed go ahead - the railway end would probably require a 'blast' barrier surely.? Back to top Gusty Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul fox1 <fox1 (AT) NOSPAMedinburghairport (DOT) org.uk> wrote Quote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:26:56 -0500, Dave Hill <hill (AT) cam (DOT) org> wrote: With the expected recent posts on the GLA route to the Middle East, I have been wondering. I'm not up to date on the runway lengths of Edi and GLA, but would EDI be able to take an A330 or A310 taking off fully loaded for a non stop flight to Dubai or Pakistan? Just curious. The same question comes up in my head about GLA's runway, but since this is a EDI newsgroup.... Welcome back Dave...long time no hear? Still over in Canada.? looking at the recent trend of l/h routes announced at GLA I would guess BAA will be looking at extending 05/23 to accommodate the 747 with a full payload. Gusty Back to top CAB Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul Quote: looking at the recent trend of l/h routes announced at GLA I would guess BAA will be looking at extending 05/23 to accommodate the 747 with a full payload. The only thing they will extend is the size of boots inside the terminal and a few more outlets... Back to top David Kerr Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul "CAB" <cab (AT) cab (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Hi Dave. In the short answer, yes Edinburgh's runway could support a flight to DXB just like Glasgow can. "Interesting"! David Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul "David Kerr" <david.avdb (AT) lineSPAMone (DOT) SPAMnet> wrote Quote: "CAB" <cab (AT) cab (DOT) net> wrote in message news:3fc14b8b$0$95070$edfadb0f (AT) dread11 (DOT) news.tele.dk... Hi Dave. In the short answer, yes Edinburgh's runway could support a flight to DXB just like Glasgow can. "Interesting"! David I'm saying nowt! Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:05 pm    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul "CAB" <cab (AT) cab (DOT) net> wrote Quote: looking at the recent trend of l/h routes announced at GLA I would guess BAA will be looking at extending 05/23 to accommodate the 747 with a full payload. The only thing they will extend is the size of boots inside the terminal and a few more outlets... Plus the apron area, remote stands, taxiway realignment, oh and the terminal building. Basically the only thing they won't be extending is the runway. Back to top CAB Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul Quote: I'm saying nowt! (Good) Since your saying nowt and your fingers are doing the talking. I said "In the short answer, yes Edinburgh's runway could support a flight to DXB just like Glasgow can." and I hold you Clive to prove otherwise... So let us know your findings. Back to top CAB Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul You maybe right Clive but we both know the number 1 priority in any of BAA's expansions, its terminal facilities aka Retail. (Where the money is) Quote: Plus the apron area, remote stands, taxiway realignment, oh and the terminal building. Basically the only thing they won't be extending is the runway. Back to top fox1 Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:38:08 +0100, "CAB" <cab (AT) cab (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: The only thing they will extend is the size of boots inside the terminal and a few more outlets... LOL... Back to top fox1 Guest Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: EDI runway for long haul On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:02:43 -0000, "David Kerr" <david.avdb (AT) lineSPAMone (DOT) SPAMnet> wrote: Quote: In the short answer, yes Edinburgh's runway could support a flight to DXB just like Glasgow can. "Interesting"! I think someone in this newsgroup once remarked that if DXB flights went to GLA instead of EDI he would be 'surprised'.... 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