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James Ricks
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:53 pm    Post subject: E6B? Reply with quote



Just curious. Where did the term E6B come from? I've looked in various places
for an origin and come up dry. Was it perhaps a military designation for a
flat, slide rule type flight computer?

I know that in the overall scheme of things this is unimportant, but. . . .

Thanks.
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Dudley Henriques
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote



Not exactly sure about the origin, but I believe it was the Weems Co. back
in the early forties. I think they had a contract with the government to
supply a universal navigation hand computer and the E6B was the result.
As I say, I'm far from being certain about it. I'm sure the historians will
know a bit more.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot; CFI; Retired
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"James Ricks" <jtricks (AT) cableone (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Just curious. Where did the term E6B come from? I've looked in various
places
for an origin and come up dry. Was it perhaps a military designation for a
flat, slide rule type flight computer?

I know that in the overall scheme of things this is unimportant, but. . .
.

Thanks.



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Dudley Henriques
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote



Not exactly sure about the origin, but I believe it was the Weems Co. back
in the early forties. I think they had a contract with the government to
supply a universal navigation hand computer and the E6B was the result.
As I say, I'm far from being certain about it. I'm sure the historians will
know a bit more.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot; CFI; Retired
dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet
(take out the trash Smile
"James Ricks" <jtricks (AT) cableone (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Just curious. Where did the term E6B come from? I've looked in various
places
for an origin and come up dry. Was it perhaps a military designation for a
flat, slide rule type flight computer?

I know that in the overall scheme of things this is unimportant, but. . .
.

Thanks.



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Icebound
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote


"James Ricks" <jtricks (AT) cableone (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Just curious. Where did the term E6B come from? I've looked in various
places
for an origin and come up dry. Was it perhaps a military designation for a
flat, slide rule type flight computer?

I know that in the overall scheme of things this is unimportant, but. . .
.

Thanks.

From Mr. Whitts' excellent site:
http://www.whittsflying.com/Page6.37Learning%20fromHistory.htm


E-6-B
The E-6B was more created than invented by Phillip Dalton in the early
1930s. It was initially called "The Dalton Dead reckoning Computer" . The
exact derivation of E6B is not known but the E-6B has become the generic
name for a vast number of similar devices, which include a circular slide
rule and a sliding wind angle ground speed plotter. The Dalton E-6B was
developed from a large shipboard device for handheld use aboard aircraft. My
first E-6B, which is still in the family, is from WWII and made of solid
brass with enameled engraving. A quality piece. Plastic E-6Bs became common
later in the war. Aluminum and cardboard came later as the E-6B became
obsolete with the advent of electronic E6Bs.

E-6B
Dalton invented several flight computers before the design that we all know
so well, but they were NOT derived from a shipboard device. (A much
earlier - 1917 - very popular flight computer was, however, so it's easy for
people to think all F/Cs came from marine usage. Some of the navigation
principles are the same, of course.)

His "Model J" was first bought in quantity by the US Army Air Corps in very
early 1940, I believe, and it was given the designation of a navigation
device "E" along with the "-6B". Even though there was an "E-6A" made, a
very real possiblity is that the "6B" was arbitrarily settled on because
that was the British/Canadian/ Australian prefix for aerial navigation
devices. (e.g "6B/245" for one example RAF flight computer)
Kevin Darling



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kdarling@basit.com
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:36 am    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote

After spending several years in research, thousands of dollars, plus
reading Dalton's personal letters, here is a fairly definitive history
of the E-6B:

Philip Dalton (1903-1941) was a Cornell graduate who joined the Army as
an artillery officer, but soon resigned and became a Naval Reserve
pilot from 1931 until he tragically died in a plane crash with a
student practicing spins. He, with the support of the Navy and the
godfather of modern marine/air/space navigation, P.V.H. Weems,
invented, patented and marketed a series of flight computers.

Dalton's first popular computer was his 1933 Model B, the circular
slide rule with TAS and Altitude corrections that we know so well. In
1936 he put a double-drift diagram on its reverse to create what the US
Army Air Corps (USAAC) designated as the E-1, E-1A and E-1B.

A couple of years later he invented the Mark VII, again using his Model
B slide rule as a focal point. It was hugely popular with both the
military and the airlines. Even Amelia Earhart's navigator Fred Noonan
used one on their last flight. But Dalton himself felt that it was a
quickie design, and wanted to create something more accurate, easier,
and able to handle higher flight speeds.

So he came up with his now famous wind arc slide, but printed on an
endless cloth belt moved inside a box by a knob. He applied for a
patent in 1936 (granted in 1937 as 2,097,116). This was for the Model
C, D and G computers widely used in WW-II by the British Commonwealth,
the US Navy, and even copied by the Japanese and Germans. You see many
of these old square metal and phenolic boxes for sale on eBay.

But the US Army Air Corps decided the endless belt computer cost too
much to manufacture, so later in 1937 Dalton morphed it to a simple
straight wind slide, with his Model B circular slide rule included on
the reverse. He called it his Model H. In 1938 the Army wrote formal
specs for it (the E-6A). Then the USAAC had him make a few changes,
which Weems called the Model J. This "E-6B" was introduced to the Army
in 1940, but it took Pearl Harbor for the Air Corps (by then the Army
Air Forces) to put in a really large order. Over 400,000 E-6Bs were
manufactured during WW-II, mostly of the plastic type which glows under
black light.

The base name "E-6" was totally arbitrary, as there were no standards
for stock naming at the time. The "B" simply meant it was the
production model. If you ever see Copyright 1933 on older models, that
was for his circular slide rule only.

Interestingly, the designation "E-6B" was only used for a couple of
years. By 1943 the Army and Navy changed the marking to their joint
standard, the AN-C-74 (Army/Navy Computer 74). The USAF later called
updates the MB-4 and then the CPU-26. But navigators stuck with the
original "E-6B" name.

After Dalton's death, Weems (www.weemsplath.com) tried updating the
E-6B and calling it the E-6C, E-10, and so forth, but finally fell back
on the original name which was so well known by 50,000 WW-II Army Air
Force navigator veterans. After the patent ran out, many manufacturers
made copies, sometimes using a marketing name of "E6-B" (note the moved
hyphen).

Dalton was still inventing when he was killed. It's sad that he died
without knowing his E-6B design would last for over sixty years.

"My eyes are dim I cannot see,
I have not got my E-6B with me,
Over the Valley of the Ruhr."
- WW-II USAAC ditty

Kevin Darling

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James Ricks
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote

Thanks to all who replied. I'm not sure I didn't find out more than I needed
to know, but did suspect the origin was early military and the designation
continued into civilian use.

The knowledge available in this forum never ceases to amaze me.

Thanks again...... Jim

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: E-6B history Reply with quote

[email]kdarling (AT) basit (DOT) com[/email] wrote:
Quote:

After spending several years in research, thousands of dollars, plus
reading Dalton's personal letters, here is a fairly definitive history
of the E-6B:

That was interesting. I didn't ask the original question, but I too
have wondered where the "E-6B" designation came from.

Have you written a book on aviation slide rules? Got a web site? All
that information you've gathered ought to be preserved. I mean other
than in the Googol archive.

--

Paul Hirose <iszintjv55 (AT) earINVALIDthlink (DOT) net>
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote


"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@noware .net> wrote in message
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news:jZY_d.320$Vi3.186 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.atl.earthlink.net...
Not exactly sure about the origin, but I believe it was the Weems Co. back
in the early forties. I think they had a contract with the government to
supply a universal navigation hand computer and the E6B was the result.
As I say, I'm far from being certain about it. I'm sure the historians
will
know a bit more.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot; CFI; Retired
dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet
(take out the trash Smile
"James Ricks" <jtricks (AT) cableone (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:uveo31tsken1165g4049u26t4oql59g4tn (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
Just curious. Where did the term E6B come from? I've looked in various
places
for an origin and come up dry. Was it perhaps a military designation for
a
flat, slide rule type flight computer?

A quick google search comes up with:
"The Dalton Dead Reckoning Computer" invented in the early 1930s by
Phillip Dalton. I found one example for sale reported to be made in 1932
which might prove several websites wrong about the time it was invented.

However an extended search didn't turn up when it actually became the E6-B.
There are several other designations for similar flight computers.



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kdarling@basit.com
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote

Quote:
A quick google search comes up with:
"The Dalton Dead Reckoning Computer" invented in the early 1930s by
Phillip Dalton. I found one example for sale reported to be made in
1932 which might prove several websites wrong about the time it was
invented

Yes, there's a lot of misinformation out there on this topic. Which is
understandable, considering how long ago these events took place, and
how poorly they were documented. I've written to all the websites I
could find, but few have taken the time to update their pages.

As I alluded to elsewhere, people will often find such a date on an old
E-6B, but that's just the copyright of its older slide rule section.
You can't get a patent on math formulae, especially when they're as
widely known as the time/ speed/ distance and TAS and Altitude
correction ones, but you _can_ copyright the visual design... so he
did.

Even places like the Wright-Patterson museum have their flight computer
displays totally mixed up, with Korean War era computers in WW-II
displays, WW-II ones in the Viet Nam era display, etc. I've been asked
to work with the National Air and Space Museum to help sort out their
collection of 1300 devices.

Seems like such a minor thing in the overall scheme of things, but it's
ridiculous that history can get so lost, so quickly.

Kev


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: E-6B history Reply with quote

Quote:
That was interesting. I didn't ask the original question, but I too
have wondered where the "E-6B" designation came from.

Thank you. I'm very glad to know someone was interested in the
details.

Quote:
Have you written a book on aviation slide rules? Got a web site?
All that information you've gathered ought to be preserved.

I agree. I've been working (slowly) on a book on aviation slide rules
for several years. Even invented a few. The book is up to around 250
pages, and that just barely scrapes the surface. When I started, I had
no idea how rich and varied their history was.

For example, I was stunned to find out that the US Navy first mandated
a wind computer as required equipment on their aircraft back in 1915
(!).

As reference, I've gathered over 550 patents going back to 1913, over
500 air navigation books, and lots of catalogs, magazine articles, and
ads. Not to mention a collection of hundreds of flight computers,
including some original prototypes. I've even paid to access government
records of sales and costs. I have many original military design
specifications. I've also been tracking down the surviving families of
various inventors, since most have died of old age in the last 20
years... another casualty statistic of the slide rule era.

If such things interest you, you should join the International Slide
Rule Group on Yahoo, and check out old postings on the topic;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sliderule/

Thanks again, Kev


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote


"James Ricks" <jtricks (AT) cableone (DOT) net> wrote

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Just curious. Where did the term E6B come from?

The one the Air Force gave me is called an MB-4. I am looking forward to
Kevin's book if he ever finishes it. :-)



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kdarling@basit.com
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:04 am    Post subject: Re: E6B? Reply with quote

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The one the Air Force gave me is called an MB-4.

Yep, named the MB-4 around 1952 when the USAF started using the "Type
Designation System for Aeronautical Equipment". Which used M for
"Military Aeronautical Equipment" and B just "because". Other MB
computers included the MB-1, 2, 8 and 9.

In 1957, the Air Force switched to the "Aeronautical and Support
Equipment Type Designation System", and the MB-4 begat its pocket-sized
clone, the CPU-26. CP=computer, U=standalone unit. The MB-4A and
CPU-26A had metal slides, since pilots kept breaking the plastic ones.

Oddly, the MB-4 kept its name even after the 1957 naming-spec
changeover. Perhaps they'd learned from the "E-6B" renaming attempts?

Quote:
I am looking forward to Kevin's book if he ever finishes it. Smile

Thanks. So am I. (Looking forward to ever finishing it ;)

Kevin


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