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 Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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I reported on this ng a good while back an incident when I flew a C172 thru
a flock of swallows. Could see the whites of their little beady eyes but
didn't hit a one.... the little buggers simply zotted out of the way in the
last microsecond....
That was nearly 30 years ago over the patch where I've subsequently built my
hacienda - the southern tip of the Berserkers, which is one of the
reporting points between Rockhampton and the Capricorn coast.
Now there has been some discuss about see and be seen in E - and I'll give
you the mail I thought I was going to brass up bulk swallows years ago, but
having watched them this afternoon there was no way I'd hit one in a C172.
Now it may be the little buggers rock up here each year, but in fact this is
the first year I've seen 'em in the same patch where I flew thru 'em years
ago.
I've asked/commented on bird "g"s before, but these bloody swallows have
racked thru 90 degrees in (being charitable) 2 bloody body lengths this
afternoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely mindblowing!!!!!!!!
No wonder they have short fat hairy legs like me - can you imagine the
forces involved in keeping their u/c/feet tucked up during those sorts of
manoeuvres?
At least they don't have to peer down and twiddle with knobs to make sure
the transponder is working......
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Peter Creswick
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:47 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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"mqd_117.3" wrote:
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Wedgies are mongrels and don't move for anyone. Talk about unalerted see & avoid in Class E. Reckon |
I came within a bee's dick of one at 10,000ft between Innaminka & Alice one day!
Mongrels - and the rest mate !
They assume they have their own Class-A !
One attacked me 27 Jan 78 at Leeton !
PC
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mqd_117.3
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:18 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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Same thing happened to me at Prospect one afternoon on the way back into
BK. Probably about 6 or 7 Ibis in formation heading straight at me.
Couldn't have been more than 100 feet away when the "wingman" went into
what looked like stall/incipient spin/spiral dive combo thing, dived to
the right and the others followed. Couldn't believe I didn't hit one!!
On the other hand, Wedgies are mongrels and don't move for anyone. Talk
about unalerted see & avoid in Class E. Reckon I came within a bee's
dick of one at 10,000ft between Innaminka & Alice one day!
MQD_117.3
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RT
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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Peter Creswick wrote in message <400F9C1E.B5BF984 (AT) ihug (DOT) com.au>...
| Quote: | "mqd_117.3" wrote:
Wedgies are mongrels and don't move for anyone. Talk about unalerted see &
avoid in Class E. Reckon
I came within a bee's dick of one at 10,000ft between Innaminka & Alice
one day!
MQD_117.3
Mongrels - and the rest mate !
They assume they have their own Class-A !
One attacked me 27 Jan 78 at Leeton !
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The wedgies at Rocky generally stay over the ranges - but there can be a
bloody lot of pelicans about.
Hah! But what goes around, comes around - er, and then it comes around
again....
Did a C of A (yes, that's what it was called) on a Piper J2 (Cub) which
necessitated some fairly severe fabric removal. Found a bullet hole thru
the main spar. Did some gentle questioning of the owner - sheep farmer.
Turns out his wedgie discouragement procedure was to chase 'em, stall up
beside 'em, and about then his pistol would go off while he was cleaning
it...... Bummer!
That was the same bloke who took a mate shooting pigs along the river at dot
(don't remember if it was the Namoi, Mooki or Peel, but suspect the Namoi)
with the shooter draping his legs over the edge as you would, and enjoying
himself immensely. Eventually, the owner/pilot realised the river had
narrowed to the extent that the J2 wingtips were overhung by the trees
along the banks.
With many skiddy turns and much upholstery being bitten off his seat he
managed to stay operational until a wider patch appeared, enabling him to
pop up above the trees. The passenger reckoned it was great and wanted him
to do it again!
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DN
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:53 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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"RT" <r.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au> wrote
| Quote: | I reported on this ng a good while back an incident when I flew a C172
thru
a flock of swallows. Could see the whites of their little beady eyes but
didn't hit a one.... the little buggers simply zotted out of the way in
the
last microsecond....
That was nearly 30 years ago over the patch where I've subsequently built
my
hacienda - the southern tip of the Berserkers, which is one of the
reporting points between Rockhampton and the Capricorn coast.
Now there has been some discuss about see and be seen in E - and I'll give
you the mail I thought I was going to brass up bulk swallows years ago,
but
having watched them this afternoon there was no way I'd hit one in a C172.
Now it may be the little buggers rock up here each year, but in fact this
is
the first year I've seen 'em in the same patch where I flew thru 'em years
ago.
I've asked/commented on bird "g"s before, but these bloody swallows have
racked thru 90 degrees in (being charitable) 2 bloody body lengths this
afternoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely mindblowing!!!!!!!!
No wonder they have short fat hairy legs like me - can you imagine the
forces involved in keeping their u/c/feet tucked up during those sorts of
manoeuvres?
At least they don't have to peer down and twiddle with knobs to make sure
the transponder is working......
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What a good yarn ! Thanks very much. Can you or others, tell me about the
sort of damage a bird strike from say an Ibis,
would do to a prop on C172 for example ? Or a wing or a control surface for
that matter ? And how often do you reckon this happens in Oz ?
DN
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matt weber
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:17 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:53:33 GMT, "DN" <nigREMOVEnog1 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com>
wrote:
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"RT" <r.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au> wrote in message
news:bum3fa$jmtg8$1 (AT) ID-194795 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de...
I reported on this ng a good while back an incident when I flew a C172
thru
a flock of swallows. Could see the whites of their little beady eyes but
didn't hit a one.... the little buggers simply zotted out of the way in
the
last microsecond....
That was nearly 30 years ago over the patch where I've subsequently built
my
hacienda - the southern tip of the Berserkers, which is one of the
reporting points between Rockhampton and the Capricorn coast.
Now there has been some discuss about see and be seen in E - and I'll give
you the mail I thought I was going to brass up bulk swallows years ago,
but
having watched them this afternoon there was no way I'd hit one in a C172.
Now it may be the little buggers rock up here each year, but in fact this
is
the first year I've seen 'em in the same patch where I flew thru 'em years
ago.
I've asked/commented on bird "g"s before, but these bloody swallows have
racked thru 90 degrees in (being charitable) 2 bloody body lengths this
afternoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely mindblowing!!!!!!!!
No wonder they have short fat hairy legs like me - can you imagine the
forces involved in keeping their u/c/feet tucked up during those sorts of
manoeuvres?
At least they don't have to peer down and twiddle with knobs to make sure
the transponder is working......
What a good yarn ! Thanks very much. Can you or others, tell me about the
sort of damage a bird strike from say an Ibis,
would do to a prop on C172 for example ? Or a wing or a control surface for
that matter ? And how often do you reckon this happens in Oz ?
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Cannot talk about a C172, but I can say that a bird strike was perhaps
the most expensive single aircraft accident in history. A Pelican took
out a B1 bomber. Hit the wing leading edge, and ultimately caused a
catastrophic Hydraulic failiure.
In the 1970's a 727 ran down a Goose at 20,000+ feet, it came through
the windscreen. Very messy.......
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RT
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:18 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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DN wrote in message ...
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"RT" <r.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au> wrote in message
news:bum3fa$jmtg8$1 (AT) ID-194795 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de...
I reported on this ng a good while back an incident when I flew a C172
thru
a flock of swallows.
What a good yarn ! Thanks very much.
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Ta :-)
| Quote: | Can you or others, tell me about the
sort of damage a bird strike from say an Ibis,
would do to a prop on C172 for example ? Or a wing or a control surface for
that matter ? And how often do you reckon this happens in Oz ?
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I've had to repair the mainplane leading edge of a C182 that hit a Wedgie,
which I suppose is about the same as an Ibis. The leading edge was
flattened back to the spar.
Fortunately the impact was just outboard of the strut fitting. If it had
been out near the wingtip I would expect the rear spar to fail, since I've
seen rear spar fitting damage from a wingtip impact that didn't even disturb
the nav light. Lot of leverage out there...
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Tosser
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:56 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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"RT" <r.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au> wrote
| Quote: | I've had to repair the mainplane leading edge of a C182 that hit a Wedgie,
which I suppose is about the same as an Ibis. The leading edge was
flattened back to the spar.
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Same deal with a C172RG that was lent to a certain TV adventure cowboy out of
Bankstown.
Both leading edges were battered and covered in blood and guts and bits of
feather.
I had the distinct impression the prick had gone after the wedgie(s)
deliberately.
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RT
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:42 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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Tosser wrote in message ...
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"RT" <r.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au> wrote in message
news:buqapu$kqcev$1 (AT) ID-194795 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de...
I've had to repair the mainplane leading edge of a C182 that hit a
Wedgie,
which I suppose is about the same as an Ibis. The leading edge was
flattened back to the spar.
Same deal with a C172RG that was lent to a certain TV adventure cowboy out
of
Bankstown.
Both leading edges were battered and covered in blood and guts and bits of
feather.
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BOTH leading edges!!!! What?
| Quote: | I had the distinct impression the prick had gone after the wedgie(s)
deliberately.
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Mmmm - if that was the case it's a bloody shame one didn't hit a wingtip and
take the bloody wing off.
Who was/is this character?
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Tosser
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:22 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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"RT" <r.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au> wrote
| Quote: | I had the distinct impression the prick had gone after the wedgie(s)
deliberately.
Mmmm - if that was the case it's a bloody shame one didn't hit a wingtip and
take the bloody wing off.
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My thoughts exactly when I read your post.
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Trevor Fenn
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| Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 12:16 am Post subject: Re: E - see and be seen. And then? |
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[email]electric_enema (AT) flush (DOT) com[/email] (Tosser) wrote in
<ZA3Qb.24576$Wa.19788 (AT) news-server (DOT) bigpond.net.au>:
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"RT" <r.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au> wrote in message
news:buqapu$kqcev$1 (AT) ID-194795 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de...
I've had to repair the mainplane leading edge of a C182 that hit a
Wedgie, which I suppose is about the same as an Ibis. The leading
edge was flattened back to the spar.
Same deal with a C172RG that was lent to a certain TV adventure cowboy
out of Bankstown.
Both leading edges were battered and covered in blood and guts and bits
of feather.
I had the distinct impression the prick had gone after the wedgie(s)
deliberately.
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Oh Geez I hope that's not the same long haired wanker that tried to get a
free plane at PF a few years back.
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Trevor Fenn
There are too many zz's in my email address above.
Take two zz's and email me in the morning.
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