AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Duster plans wanted          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Sailplanes View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Leon McAtee Guest Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Duster plans wanted I'd like to buy a set of plans for a Duster BJ-1b. These need not be original and can be a copy as they will not be used to build a glider, only for documentation for an existing Duster that came with no plans. ========================= Leon McAtee Leon@Alluretech dot net N 7852R Original plans #38 Back to top G.A. Seguin Guest Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted Hi Leon, I have a set. I have resisted answering request for Duster plan up to now. The sailplane built from these plan broke in flight, succesfull bail out. The plan were never updated. One such event in a life time is enough. It is up to you Leon, I will decide from the answer you give to this post. Gilles [email]Leon (AT) caspercityauto (DOT) com[/email] (Leon McAtee) wrote in message news:<34e7205d.0405141806.243240c5 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Quote: I'd like to buy a set of plans for a Duster BJ-1b. These need not be original and can be a copy as they will not be used to build a glider, only for documentation for an existing Duster that came with no plans. ========================= Leon McAtee Leon@Alluretech dot net N 7852R Original plans #38 Back to top JJ Sinclair Guest Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted Gilles, Could you give us more details on this? The rudder and fin were redesigned after an in-flight break-up. Was that you? I have built 2 Dusters and flown them for over 400 hours. I consider it a safe design, after the change to the fin and rudder. As with any home-built, the quality of construction may not have been up to aircraft standards and in many cases the builder doesn't follow the designers instructions. More information, please. JJ Sinclair Quote: I have a set. I have resisted answering request for Duster plan up to now. The sailplane built from these plan broke in flight, succesfull bail out. The plan were never updated. One such event in a life time is enough. It is up to you Leon, I will decide from the answer you give to this post. Gilles JJ Sinclair Back to top G.A. Seguin Guest Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted It was this aircraft, I was not the pilot. I consider the Duster a safe aircraft. I question putting these plan, not updated, back in circulation. Gilles [email]jjglider (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (JJ Sinclair) wrote in message news:<20040515104902.28410.00000450 (AT) mb-m28 (DOT) aol.com>... Quote: Gilles, Could you give us more details on this? The rudder and fin were redesigned after an in-flight break-up. Was that you? I have built 2 Dusters and flown them for over 400 hours. I consider it a safe design, after the change to the fin and rudder. As with any home-built, the quality of construction may not have been up to aircraft standards and in many cases the builder doesn't follow the designers instructions. More information, please. JJ Sinclair I have a set. I have resisted answering request for Duster plan up to now. The sailplane built from these plan broke in flight, succesfull bail out. The plan were never updated. One such event in a life time is enough. It is up to you Leon, I will decide from the answer you give to this post. Gilles JJ Sinclair Back to top JJ Sinclair Guest Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted Quote: It was this aircraft, I was not the pilot. I consider the Duster a safe aircraft. I question putting these plan, not updated, back in circulation. Gilles Thanks, Gilles I can provide the modification information that was issued after the rudder flutter accident. The requester has a completed Duster, he only wants the plans for reference. JJ Sinclair Back to top Leon McAtee Guest Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted [email]dgseguin (AT) rocler (DOT) qc.ca[/email] (G.A. Seguin) wrote in message news:<4d1adb7.0405150621.16665eb8 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Quote: Hi Leon, I have a set. I have resisted answering request for Duster plan up to now. The sailplane built from these plan broke in flight, succesfull bail out. The plan were never updated. One such event in a life time is enough. It is up to you Leon, I will decide from the answer you give to this post. Gilles My primary reason for getting a set of plans is safety. I'd like to be able to see if it was built to plans (with the updates) and be able to do a good condition inspection before it's flown. It's my understanding that after modifying the rudder and observing proper ground operation on rough surfaces it turned out to be a safe plane. I'd like to make sure this particular one is at least built per plans. The more information I can get the better my final decisions will be - I hope. Back to top JJ Sinclair Guest Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted Quote: I'd like to make sure this particular one is at least built per plans. The more information I can get the better my final decisions will be - I hope. The modified Duster has a fabric covered rudder with a counterbalance on top. The forward fin attachment is also strengthened. JJ Sinclair Back to top Leon McAtee Guest Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted Still looking for Duster plans. I purchased a set but after getting them I discovered they are very old photocopies - and about 80% scale. This would have been good enough for most inspection and confirming conformity to the plans. Unfortunatly I will need to do some repair and some of the information needed (rudder foil shape for example) needs to be full size. So............ I'm still in the market for a set of original Duster plans, or an acurate, modern digital copy. ============================== Leon McAtee Leon @ alluretech.net [email]jjglider (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (JJ Sinclair) wrote in message news:<20040515164050.17518.00001387 (AT) mb-m03 (DOT) aol.com>... Quote: It was this aircraft, I was not the pilot. I consider the Duster a safe aircraft. I question putting these plan, not updated, back in circulation. Gilles Thanks, Gilles I can provide the modification information that was issued after the rudder flutter accident. The requester has a completed Duster, he only wants the plans for reference. JJ Sinclair Back to top G.A. Seguin Guest Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted Hi, I will refund the money if you feel you got cheated. Gilles [email]Leon (AT) caspercityauto (DOT) com[/email] (Leon McAtee) wrote in message news:<34e7205d.0405281025.1752dbc6 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Quote: Still looking for Duster plans. I purchased a set but after getting them I discovered they are very old photocopies - and about 80% scale. This would have been good enough for most inspection and confirming conformity to the plans. Unfortunatly I will need to do some repair and some of the information needed (rudder foil shape for example) needs to be full size. So............ I'm still in the market for a set of original Duster plans, or an acurate, modern digital copy. ============================== Leon McAtee Leon @ alluretech.net [email]jjglider (AT) aol (DOT) com[/email] (JJ Sinclair) wrote in message news:<20040515164050.17518.00001387 (AT) mb-m03 (DOT) aol.com>... It was this aircraft, I was not the pilot. I consider the Duster a safe aircraft. I question putting these plan, not updated, back in circulation. Gilles Thanks, Gilles I can provide the modification information that was issued after the rudder flutter accident. The requester has a completed Duster, he only wants the plans for reference. JJ Sinclair Back to top Leon McAtee Guest Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Duster plans wanted [email]dgseguin (AT) rocler (DOT) qc.ca[/email] (G.A. Seguin) wrote in message news:<4d1adb7.0406011713.27c57e0a (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>... Quote: Hi, I will refund the money if you feel you got cheated. Gilles Cheated!? NO. And I'm sorry if you got that impression. Please accept my apology for that. As you know finding - any - plans for the Duster is hard. I feel I got my $'s worth. ==================== Leon McAtee Happy with my Duster - and the plans. 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