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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: Dual x-country (longish) |
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Well, in spite of tropical storm Katrina and my forgetfulness, I flew
my dual cross country today. I arrived at the airport on time, my
instructor called in to say he'd be about 15 minutes late so I went to
check the weather. The weather feed in the pilots area was down. So I
went to go over my pre-filled out nav-log and, whoops! it's in my other
notebook. Sigh. I started to work on a new one. Once my instrcutor
arrived, he called the weather briefer, helped put my nav log back
together and said "Let's go!"
We were wheels up at 9:25 (or 13:25Z) headed from KORL to KOCF (60nm
north west). We had wind from the ENE so our ground speed was up around
108kts. All the check points came up on time, we drifted slightly left
of course while dodging some clouds and landed pretty well on time at
KOCF. We had a late breakfast but were wheels up for KBKV (44nms south)
at 14:45Z. Our plan called for 4500 feet so I could get a cross bearing
from the Orlando VOR, but the clouds were scattered at 2800 ft. (well,
maybe more broken than scattered) and I had to stay below 2300 ft. I
never picked up the VOR, but navigated with pilotage (and the DME) and
found KBKV. Also flew over some very pretty country, rivers and such.
We did a stop and go there and headed back to Orlando at 1000 ft.
Our calculated GS for that leg was 85 knts. which was right on. We flew
through some light rain. My instructor tried to show me that we could
contact flight service and have them talk to us on the VOR, but we
never heard them acknowledge us. Probably to low.
Once we got to about 10 miles out, my instructor tried to call Orlando
approach. No luck. The radios wouldn't talk. He told me to fly and he'd
handle the radios, so I did as I was told. He fiddled and finally got
out his handheld, called the KORL tower and we were cleared straight
in. They couldn't hear us very well and asked him to acknowledge by
clicking the mike twice for yes.
Once on the ground, he discovered that one of the switches on the audio
panel had gotten flipped so we couldn't transmit. (Remember that he
handled all the radio stuff on that leg). What bothers me about this is
1) I DON"T know what all the switches etc on the panel and radios are
for and 2) Apparently he dosen't either. What am I supposed to do if
that happens to me solo? I know to squawk 7600 and look for lights, but
this was a simple switch flip. I really feel I need to get the manuals
and understand all the switches and knobs on the comms stack so I can
trouble shoot from first principles when something goes wrong.
Pluses: Navigation was good. (living in the same area for 40+ years
probably helps). Flying was pretty good. We got everywhere we were
supposed to get and didn't get lost.
Minuses: Radio problem! My landings are still rough. I really tend to
flare a little high and don't get the plane completly pitched up when I
land.
I feel really beat physically.
John Stevens
29.5 hours, 2.5 hours cross country
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Mark Hansen Guest
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Dual x-country (longish) |
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On 8/25/2005 11:23, [email]jsstevens (AT) usa (DOT) net[/email] wrote:
| Quote: | Well, in spite of tropical storm Katrina and my forgetfulness, I flew
my dual cross country today. I arrived at the airport on time, my
instructor called in to say he'd be about 15 minutes late so I went to
check the weather. The weather feed in the pilots area was down. So I
went to go over my pre-filled out nav-log and, whoops! it's in my other
notebook. Sigh. I started to work on a new one. Once my instrcutor
arrived, he called the weather briefer, helped put my nav log back
together and said "Let's go!"
We were wheels up at 9:25 (or 13:25Z) headed from KORL to KOCF (60nm
north west). We had wind from the ENE so our ground speed was up around
108kts. All the check points came up on time, we drifted slightly left
of course while dodging some clouds and landed pretty well on time at
KOCF. We had a late breakfast but were wheels up for KBKV (44nms south)
at 14:45Z. Our plan called for 4500 feet so I could get a cross bearing
from the Orlando VOR, but the clouds were scattered at 2800 ft. (well,
maybe more broken than scattered) and I had to stay below 2300 ft. I
never picked up the VOR, but navigated with pilotage (and the DME) and
found KBKV. Also flew over some very pretty country, rivers and such.
We did a stop and go there and headed back to Orlando at 1000 ft.
Our calculated GS for that leg was 85 knts.
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Now, by "Our calculated groundspeed" do you mean your instructor helped
you calculate it, or did you do that on your own? Get used to taking credit
when you do something, because you are training to be PIC :-)
| Quote: | which was right on. We flew
through some light rain. My instructor tried to show me that we could
contact flight service and have them talk to us on the VOR, but we
never heard them acknowledge us. Probably to low.
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.... or perhaps the switch was already set wrong, as noticed later?
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Once we got to about 10 miles out, my instructor tried to call Orlando
approach. No luck. The radios wouldn't talk. He told me to fly and he'd
handle the radios, so I did as I was told. He fiddled and finally got
out his handheld, called the KORL tower and we were cleared straight
in. They couldn't hear us very well and asked him to acknowledge by
clicking the mike twice for yes.
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Yes, there's a good lesson here: Handhelds don't transmit too well
from within an aircraft cabin (at least, not without an external
antenna).
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Once on the ground, he discovered that one of the switches on the audio
panel had gotten flipped so we couldn't transmit. (Remember that he
handled all the radio stuff on that leg). What bothers me about this is
1) I DON"T know what all the switches etc on the panel and radios are
for and 2) Apparently he dosen't either. What am I supposed to do if
that happens to me solo? I know to squawk 7600 and look for lights, but
this was a simple switch flip. I really feel I need to get the manuals
and understand all the switches and knobs on the comms stack so I can
trouble shoot from first principles when something goes wrong.
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There are a couple things you should remember:
1. Your instructor is Human too, and won't necessarily know everything.
2. This is your training time. When you find there is something you would
like to know, learn about it. In this case, you want to make sure you
know how to operate the radios, so go ahead and learn about this.
This is really the best kind of lesson, as it sinks in and doesn't
really pose any serious risk.
To be honest, your 'training time' never really ends. Anytime you come
across something that you wish you understood better, go learn about
it.
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Pluses: Navigation was good. (living in the same area for 40+ years
probably helps).
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Maybe. However, things look a lot different from up in the air than they
do driving around on the ground, so don't sell your navigation skills
short. If you found your check points and destinations, etc., then you
did a great navigation job - and that's worth a lot!
| Quote: | Flying was pretty good. We got everywhere we were
supposed to get and didn't get lost.
Minuses: Radio problem! My landings are still rough. I really tend to
flare a little high and don't get the plane completly pitched up when I
land.
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Yeah, that's normal too. The ground shyness will go away with practice,
so keep practicing ;-)
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I feel really beat physically.
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Yes, but did you feel like you accomplished something? It sounds like
you really did and should be very proud of yourself!
Great work, and thanks for sharing your story!
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John Stevens
29.5 hours, 2.5 hours cross country
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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Sacramento, CA
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Bob Gardner Guest
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Dual x-country (longish) |
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In my experience, audio panels are given little attention in training,
although proper use is critical as you now know. Knowing which switch does
what can even make life easier. I agree that a little time alone with the
switch panel and the book would be time well spent.
Bob Gardner
<jsstevens (AT) usa (DOT) net> wrote
| Quote: | Well, in spite of tropical storm Katrina and my forgetfulness, I flew
my dual cross country today. I arrived at the airport on time, my
instructor called in to say he'd be about 15 minutes late so I went to
check the weather. The weather feed in the pilots area was down. So I
went to go over my pre-filled out nav-log and, whoops! it's in my other
notebook. Sigh. I started to work on a new one. Once my instrcutor
arrived, he called the weather briefer, helped put my nav log back
together and said "Let's go!"
We were wheels up at 9:25 (or 13:25Z) headed from KORL to KOCF (60nm
north west). We had wind from the ENE so our ground speed was up around
108kts. All the check points came up on time, we drifted slightly left
of course while dodging some clouds and landed pretty well on time at
KOCF. We had a late breakfast but were wheels up for KBKV (44nms south)
at 14:45Z. Our plan called for 4500 feet so I could get a cross bearing
from the Orlando VOR, but the clouds were scattered at 2800 ft. (well,
maybe more broken than scattered) and I had to stay below 2300 ft. I
never picked up the VOR, but navigated with pilotage (and the DME) and
found KBKV. Also flew over some very pretty country, rivers and such.
We did a stop and go there and headed back to Orlando at 1000 ft.
Our calculated GS for that leg was 85 knts. which was right on. We flew
through some light rain. My instructor tried to show me that we could
contact flight service and have them talk to us on the VOR, but we
never heard them acknowledge us. Probably to low.
Once we got to about 10 miles out, my instructor tried to call Orlando
approach. No luck. The radios wouldn't talk. He told me to fly and he'd
handle the radios, so I did as I was told. He fiddled and finally got
out his handheld, called the KORL tower and we were cleared straight
in. They couldn't hear us very well and asked him to acknowledge by
clicking the mike twice for yes.
Once on the ground, he discovered that one of the switches on the audio
panel had gotten flipped so we couldn't transmit. (Remember that he
handled all the radio stuff on that leg). What bothers me about this is
1) I DON"T know what all the switches etc on the panel and radios are
for and 2) Apparently he dosen't either. What am I supposed to do if
that happens to me solo? I know to squawk 7600 and look for lights, but
this was a simple switch flip. I really feel I need to get the manuals
and understand all the switches and knobs on the comms stack so I can
trouble shoot from first principles when something goes wrong.
Pluses: Navigation was good. (living in the same area for 40+ years
probably helps). Flying was pretty good. We got everywhere we were
supposed to get and didn't get lost.
Minuses: Radio problem! My landings are still rough. I really tend to
flare a little high and don't get the plane completly pitched up when I
land.
I feel really beat physically.
John Stevens
29.5 hours, 2.5 hours cross country
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Blanche Guest
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Dual x-country (longish) |
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I had an audio panel and new radio installed (SL30) 3 years ago
and *still* read thru the manuals for both! Slow day at the airport,
or on the bus downtown? Grab the books. There's not much more I
can learn on the audio panel, but every time I read the SL30
book, there's something new to go try out. Right now I'm
working on pre-sets stored in memory. we've got some new freqs in
the Denver area, so this will come in real handy.
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