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 Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:57 am Post subject: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed
AN AIRLINE captain was jailed for six months yesterday after he was
caught preparing to fly a packed holiday jet while drunk.
Heikki Tallila (51), from Finland, had almost two and a half times the
legal alcohol limit for a pilot when he was arrested in the
cockpit of a Boeing 757 on August 23, a Manchester court heard.
The Finnair pilot was finishing pre-flight checks when the authorities
boarded the plane with 225 holidaymakers aboard minutes
before take-off.
Passing sentence, Judge John Burke said Tallila had a responsibility to
ensure the safety of the passengers in his care.
Dressed in a black suit with a white shirt and patterned tie, Tallila
showed no emotion upon hearing his sentence.
He had drunk up to seven glasses of wine and a glass of beer during the
afternoon just before he was arrested
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veritas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:06 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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Pits wrote:
| Quote: | 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed
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And I hope that he doesn't have his licence anymore!
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AN AIRLINE captain was jailed for six months yesterday after he was
caught preparing to fly a packed holiday jet while drunk.
Heikki Tallila (51), from Finland, had almost two and a half times the
legal alcohol limit for a pilot when he was arrested in the
cockpit of a Boeing 757 on August 23, a Manchester court heard.
The Finnair pilot was finishing pre-flight checks when the authorities
boarded the plane with 225 holidaymakers aboard minutes
before take-off.
Passing sentence, Judge John Burke said Tallila had a responsibility to
ensure the safety of the passengers in his care.
Dressed in a black suit with a white shirt and patterned tie, Tallila
showed no emotion upon hearing his sentence.
He had drunk up to seven glasses of wine and a glass of beer during the
afternoon just before he was arrested
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Paulco
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:56 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
Paul
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:57:51 +0800, Pits <spamlister (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed
AN AIRLINE captain was jailed for six months yesterday after he was
caught preparing to fly a packed holiday jet while drunk.
Heikki Tallila (51), from Finland, had almost two and a half times the
legal alcohol limit for a pilot when he was arrested in the
cockpit of a Boeing 757 on August 23, a Manchester court heard.
The Finnair pilot was finishing pre-flight checks when the authorities
boarded the plane with 225 holidaymakers aboard minutes
before take-off.
Passing sentence, Judge John Burke said Tallila had a responsibility to
ensure the safety of the passengers in his care.
Dressed in a black suit with a white shirt and patterned tie, Tallila
showed no emotion upon hearing his sentence.
He had drunk up to seven glasses of wine and a glass of beer during the
afternoon just before he was arrested
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veritas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:13 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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Used to be:-
Regs: - 8 hours (bottle to throttle)
Company: (TAA/Ansett) - 12 hours........
Dunno if that is still the case - but I would agree with 0% ppm all the same.
Paulco wrote:
| Quote: | It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
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James
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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veritas wrote:
| Quote: | Used to be:-
Regs: - 8 hours (bottle to throttle)
Company: (TAA/Ansett) - 12 hours........
Dunno if that is still the case - but I would agree with 0% ppm all the
same.
Paulco wrote:
It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
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In the US 8 hours bottle to throttle, and a blood alcohol limit 0.04%
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Mal
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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They are changing the laws here as it takes 3 hours to rid one drink you can
be pissed and still fly as long as its eight hours since you stopped
drinking other than company policy.
"James" <j_radcliffe (AT) NOSPAMhotmail (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | veritas wrote:
Used to be:-
Regs: - 8 hours (bottle to throttle)
Company: (TAA/Ansett) - 12 hours........
Dunno if that is still the case - but I would agree with 0% ppm all the
same.
Paulco wrote:
It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
In the US 8 hours bottle to throttle, and a blood alcohol limit 0.04%
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matt weber
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:12 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:56:27 +0800, Paulco <paulco (AT) nospam (DOT) com.au>
wrote:
| Quote: | It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
Paul
In the USA, it isn't zero, but if you have detectable alcohol, you |
have probably had something to drink within the 8 hour period.
Here is what the FAR (part 91) says
"a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft--
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;
(3) While using any drug that affects the person's faculties in any
way contrary to safety; or
(4) While having .04 percent by weight or more alcohol in the blood.
(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a
person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or
physical indications that the individual is under the influence of
drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in
that aircraft.
(c) A crewmember shall do the following:
(1) On request of a law enforcement officer, submit to a test to
indicate the percentage by weight of alcohol in the blood, when--
(i) The law enforcement officer is authorized under State or local law
to conduct the test or to have the test conducted; and
(ii) The law enforcement officer is requesting submission to the test
to investigate a suspected violation of State or local law governing
the same or substantially similar conduct prohibited by paragraph
(a)(1), (a)(2), or (a)(4) of this section."
In addition, if you are convicted for DUI in the USA, under part 61,
your pilots license is also suspended.
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:57:51 +0800, Pits <spamlister (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed
AN AIRLINE captain was jailed for six months yesterday after he was
caught preparing to fly a packed holiday jet while drunk.
Heikki Tallila (51), from Finland, had almost two and a half times the
legal alcohol limit for a pilot when he was arrested in the
cockpit of a Boeing 757 on August 23, a Manchester court heard.
The Finnair pilot was finishing pre-flight checks when the authorities
boarded the plane with 225 holidaymakers aboard minutes
before take-off.
Passing sentence, Judge John Burke said Tallila had a responsibility to
ensure the safety of the passengers in his care.
Dressed in a black suit with a white shirt and patterned tie, Tallila
showed no emotion upon hearing his sentence.
He had drunk up to seven glasses of wine and a glass of beer during the
afternoon just before he was arrested
Take back control of your web
http://switch2firefox.com/
http://h.marguerite.marie.free.fr/e_finance.htm
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Paul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:01 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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What happened to the Virgin pilot who was picked up some months ago in the
USA, about to fly a 747 to the UK?
PA
"matt weber" <mattheww50 (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote
| Quote: | On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:56:27 +0800, Paulco
wrote:
It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
Paul
In the USA, it isn't zero, but if you have detectable alcohol, you
have probably had something to drink within the 8 hour period.
Here is what the FAR (part 91) says
"a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft--
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;
(3) While using any drug that affects the person's faculties in any
way contrary to safety; or
(4) While having .04 percent by weight or more alcohol in the blood.
(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a
person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or
physical indications that the individual is under the influence of
drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in
that aircraft.
(c) A crewmember shall do the following:
(1) On request of a law enforcement officer, submit to a test to
indicate the percentage by weight of alcohol in the blood, when--
(i) The law enforcement officer is authorized under State or local law
to conduct the test or to have the test conducted; and
(ii) The law enforcement officer is requesting submission to the test
to investigate a suspected violation of State or local law governing
the same or substantially similar conduct prohibited by paragraph
(a)(1), (a)(2), or (a)(4) of this section."
In addition, if you are convicted for DUI in the USA, under part 61,
your pilots license is also suspended.
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John Ewing
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 7:52 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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"matt weber" <mattheww50 (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote
| Quote: | On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:56:27 +0800, Paulco
wrote:
It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
Paul
In the USA, it isn't zero, but if you have detectable alcohol, you
have probably had something to drink within the 8 hour period.
Here is what the FAR (part 91) says
"a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft--
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;
(3) While using any drug that affects the person's faculties in any
way contrary to safety; or
(4) While having .04 percent by weight or more alcohol in the blood.
(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a
person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or
physical indications that the individual is under the influence of
drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in
that aircraft.
(c) A crewmember shall do the following:
(1) On request of a law enforcement officer, submit to a test to
indicate the percentage by weight of alcohol in the blood, when--
(i) The law enforcement officer is authorized under State or local law
to conduct the test or to have the test conducted; and
(ii) The law enforcement officer is requesting submission to the test
to investigate a suspected violation of State or local law governing
the same or substantially similar conduct prohibited by paragraph
(a)(1), (a)(2), or (a)(4) of this section."
In addition, if you are convicted for DUI in the USA, under part 61,
your pilots license is also suspended.
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The above seem to be reasonable requirements, and avoids the impracticality
of a zero alcohol level.
John
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Stealth Pilot
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:16 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:31:09 GMT, "Mal" <abuse (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | They are changing the laws here as it takes 3 hours to rid one drink you can
be pissed and still fly as long as its eight hours since you stopped
drinking other than company policy.
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it can take 24 hours to clear the alcohol from the semi circular
canals of the ears. the alcohol reduces the viscosity of the fluid in
them and does wierd things with your balance.
....of course you will only ever realise this if you get into an
instrument flight situation then it will be too late.
you are warned.
Stealth Pilot
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RT
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 10:21 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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"Stealth Pilot" <tailwind (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote
| Quote: | On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:31:09 GMT, "Mal" <abuse (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:
They are changing the laws here as it takes 3 hours to rid one drink you
can
be pissed and still fly as long as its eight hours since you stopped
drinking other than company policy.
it can take 24 hours to clear the alcohol from the semi circular
canals of the ears. the alcohol reduces the viscosity of the fluid in
them and does wierd things with your balance.
...of course you will only ever realise this if you get into an
instrument flight situation then it will be too late.
you are warned.
Stealth Pilot
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No, Stealth. YOU are warned.
If you *ever* rely on your semi-circular canals to keep the greasy side
down, whether you are drunk or sober, we will be mercifully released from
suffering your posts :-)
Under ALL circumstances in IMC the first input to be discarded is that from
your semi-circular canals! Sit on one cheek of your arse by all means, but
NEVER EVER trust your "natural balance" - only the instruments.
It's odd, but one very effective method of ensuring the greasy side stays
down is the use of the electronic equivalent of semi-circular canals -
accelerometers. BUT, they're used with integrators which we don't
have............. :-)
Mmm - actually, we do, but our integration period is too short to save us in
IMC - poor design but I don't like our chances of a warranty claim.........
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| Quote: | it can take 24 hours to clear the alcohol from the semi circular canals of
the ears |
I wondered where all that booze went - bloody hell, my canals must be bigger
than Suez!
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Stealth Pilot
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 20:21:09 +1000, "RT" <notr.thomas (AT) cqu (DOT) edu.au>
wrote:
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"Stealth Pilot" <tailwind (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote in message
news:qng5r0lb85hlv8r79se52u2606paqrbqe2 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:31:09 GMT, "Mal" <abuse (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote:
They are changing the laws here as it takes 3 hours to rid one drink you
can
be pissed and still fly as long as its eight hours since you stopped
drinking other than company policy.
it can take 24 hours to clear the alcohol from the semi circular
canals of the ears. the alcohol reduces the viscosity of the fluid in
them and does wierd things with your balance.
...of course you will only ever realise this if you get into an
instrument flight situation then it will be too late.
you are warned.
Stealth Pilot
No, Stealth. YOU are warned.
If you *ever* rely on your semi-circular canals to keep the greasy side
down, whether you are drunk or sober, we will be mercifully released from
suffering your posts 
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my extremely minimal vfr panel has an AH.
for those who fly regularly with a vfr panel that doesnt have an AH
the possibility of the situation exists.
you can imagine the rest
Stealth Pilot
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viz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:26 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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On 6/12/04 1:08 AM, in article [email]uc56r0l3dka14umfkge7skvnnqipi3178q (AT) 4ax (DOT) com[/email],
"Stealth Pilot" <tailwind (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote:
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No, Stealth. YOU are warned.
If you *ever* rely on your semi-circular canals to keep the greasy side
down, whether you are drunk or sober, we will be mercifully released from
suffering your posts :-)
my extremely minimal vfr panel has an AH.
for those who fly regularly with a vfr panel that doesnt have an AH
the possibility of the situation exists.
you can imagine the rest
Stealth Pilot
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PLEASE TRY IT PLEASE TRY IT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!
I wanna see what happens ;)
But then you would not be able to tell us, would you?
/viz
(who does enjoy Stealth's posts, so DON'T try it!:)
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matt weber
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:31 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 05:01:30 GMT, "Paul" <paulaldridge (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:
| Quote: | What happened to the Virgin pilot who was picked up some months ago in the
USA, about to fly a 747 to the UK?
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I would assume he was turned over to the CAA. Strangely enough in the
USA, most states don't have a prohibition against flying drunk, only
the Fed's do. The State of Florida tried to prosecute a couple of
America West Pilots. Case got tossed because they hadn't broken any
state law. They were however suspened by America West, and the FAA
began enforcement proceedings. The tests conducted by the Police in
Florida are valid evidence in FAA hearings.
The one thing the TSA has been good for is picking off drinking
pilots, in fact some have suggested that it is really the
Transportation Sobriety Agency, since they have a somewhat less
favorable reputation for security. It was the TSA that usually picks
them off.
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"matt weber" <mattheww50 (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:08k4r05ttbhta13cg2n7qmgshfk1nuent4 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:56:27 +0800, Paulco
wrote:
It's interesting that they say he had two and a half times the legal
limit - I would have thought that the legal limit (even if it's
company policy rather than law) for airline pilots would be zero.
Paul
In the USA, it isn't zero, but if you have detectable alcohol, you
have probably had something to drink within the 8 hour period.
Here is what the FAR (part 91) says
"a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil
aircraft--
(1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage;
(2) While under the influence of alcohol;
(3) While using any drug that affects the person's faculties in any
way contrary to safety; or
(4) While having .04 percent by weight or more alcohol in the blood.
(b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a
person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or
physical indications that the individual is under the influence of
drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in
that aircraft.
(c) A crewmember shall do the following:
(1) On request of a law enforcement officer, submit to a test to
indicate the percentage by weight of alcohol in the blood, when--
(i) The law enforcement officer is authorized under State or local law
to conduct the test or to have the test conducted; and
(ii) The law enforcement officer is requesting submission to the test
to investigate a suspected violation of State or local law governing
the same or substantially similar conduct prohibited by paragraph
(a)(1), (a)(2), or (a)(4) of this section."
In addition, if you are convicted for DUI in the USA, under part 61,
your pilots license is also suspended.
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Trevor Fenn
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:21 am Post subject: Re: 'Drink and fly' jet pilot is jailed |
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[email]mattheww50 (AT) cox (DOT) net[/email] (matt weber) wrote in
<ocd7r0pv4r3pso1s44jtk969q6t2pgnlt8 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>:
| Quote: | The one thing the TSA has been good for is picking off drinking
pilots, in fact some have suggested that it is really the
Transportation Sobriety Agency, since they have a somewhat less
favorable reputation for security. It was the TSA that usually picks
them off.
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Having to deal with the TSA on a daily basis I suspect they were probably
driven to drink by the aforementioned TSA.
TF
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