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Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas

 
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pete
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote



Can someone please tell me of any available published literature on
this crash? Are any details such as a passenger list available?



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Pooh Bear
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote





pete wrote:

Quote:
Can someone please tell me of any available published literature on
this crash? Are any details such as a passenger list available?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Braniff+Electra+crash+May+68+Dawson%2C+Texas&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

might be a good place to start !

Graham



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Barney
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

pete wrote:
Quote:
Can someone please tell me of any available published literature on
this crash? Are any details such as a passenger list available?

Try Here


http://www.emergency-management.net/airpl_acc_index.htm#GlossA


or go to http://www.newbid.net and click on fod then mx

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pete
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

Thank you: From the above- (quote)

"1968 May 3rd. USA, Texas, Dawson: Braniff Lockheed Electra, not
explained mid-air explosion, all 88 people died"

It is regarding the expression "not unexplained mid-air explosion" that
more published information is sought. Has anyone seen any further
information in writing?

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FlightSafetyGuy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

NTSB Report is available online at
http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR69-03.pdf.

pete wrote:
Quote:
Thank you: From the above- (quote)

"1968 May 3rd. USA, Texas, Dawson: Braniff Lockheed Electra, not
explained mid-air explosion, all 88 people died"

It is regarding the expression "not unexplained mid-air explosion" that
more published information is sought. Has anyone seen any further
information in writing?


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Gord Beaman
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

"pete" <n5tp (AT) flash (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
Thank you: From the above- (quote)

"1968 May 3rd. USA, Texas, Dawson: Braniff Lockheed Electra, not
explained mid-air explosion, all 88 people died"

It is regarding the expression "not unexplained mid-air explosion" that
more published information is sought. Has anyone seen any further
information in writing?

I think you may have a problem with your quote there Pete.

I seem to remember a problem with Electra's in that time period
where a prop oscillation (called whirl mode) had set up stresses
in the wings which made the a/c shed a wing occasionally...

Incidentally the Electra was the forerunner to the very popular
ASW P-3 aircraft
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

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Pooh Bear
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote



Gord Beaman wrote:

Quote:
"pete" <n5tp (AT) flash (DOT) net> wrote:

Thank you: From the above- (quote)

"1968 May 3rd. USA, Texas, Dawson: Braniff Lockheed Electra, not
explained mid-air explosion, all 88 people died"

It is regarding the expression "not unexplained mid-air explosion" that
more published information is sought. Has anyone seen any further
information in writing?

I think you may have a problem with your quote there Pete.

I seem to remember a problem with Electra's in that time period
where a prop oscillation (called whirl mode) had set up stresses
in the wings which made the a/c shed a wing occasionally...

A resonance in the engine mounts IIRC.

Graham


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Gord Beaman
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:43 am    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:


Gord Beaman wrote:

"pete" <n5tp (AT) flash (DOT) net> wrote:

Thank you: From the above- (quote)

"1968 May 3rd. USA, Texas, Dawson: Braniff Lockheed Electra, not
explained mid-air explosion, all 88 people died"

It is regarding the expression "not unexplained mid-air explosion" that
more published information is sought. Has anyone seen any further
information in writing?

I think you may have a problem with your quote there Pete.

I seem to remember a problem with Electra's in that time period
where a prop oscillation (called whirl mode) had set up stresses
in the wings which made the a/c shed a wing occasionally...

A resonance in the engine mounts IIRC.

Graham

Yes, I think you're right Graham...I believe they lost two before
they got a handle on it...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

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pete
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

Thank you: Flight Safety Guy, Gordon and Graham. Yes, a slight error
in my last posting-
with a double negative expression "Not unexplained".

I haven't had time to digest the NTSB report as yet, but suppose a
theory on the possible cause is explained therein.

I am trying to find something possibly related to a strange event that
followed this disaster: My step-brother went to the crash site just
after it happened and took a lot of photographs. He later received a
phone call from someone who threatened his life if those photos were
ever made public. There was something funny going on there...

Pete

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Nomen Nescio
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

Is that the one with no fuselage wreckage, only a deep crater filled with
molten aluminum?

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BÓidh Stidean
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:23:55 GMT, Gord Beaman <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:
"pete" <n5tp (AT) flash (DOT) net> wrote:

Thank you: From the above- (quote)

"1968 May 3rd. USA, Texas, Dawson: Braniff Lockheed Electra, not
explained mid-air explosion, all 88 people died"

It is regarding the expression "not unexplained mid-air explosion" that
more published information is sought. Has anyone seen any further
information in writing?

I think you may have a problem with your quote there Pete.

I seem to remember a problem with Electra's in that time period
where a prop oscillation (called whirl mode) had set up stresses
in the wings which made the a/c shed a wing occasionally...

10 years prior, this problem occurred. Two planes were lost -
Branff at Buffalo, TX in 1959 and Northwest at Tell City, IN in 1960..
all Electras were subsequently limited in speed until the problem was
resolved. A strengthening of the engine mounts was the cure, and all
Electras in service were modified and the plane enjoyed an admirable
safety record after that.

Quote:
Incidentally the Electra was the forerunner to the very popular
ASW P-3 aircraft

Yes, but contrary to popular belief, not the *same* aircraft - I
have often heard that the Orion is "the military version of the
Electra", when it's not. It's a highly-modified aircraft based on the
Electra, but is by no means comparable to its civilian cousin. The
Orion retains parts of the fuselage, the empennage, and the engines of
the Electra. The wings are unique to the Orion, featuring a
double-spar design requested by the Navy, who had questions about the
Electra's integrity.

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Gord Beaman
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Braniff Electra crash May 68 Dawson, Texas Reply with quote

BÓidh Stidean <mail (AT) address (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:23:55 GMT, Gord Beaman <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com
wrote:

"pete"
Thank you: From the above- (quote)

"1968 May 3rd. USA, Texas, Dawson: Braniff Lockheed Electra, not
explained mid-air explosion, all 88 people died"

It is regarding the expression "not unexplained mid-air explosion" that
more published information is sought. Has anyone seen any further
information in writing?

I think you may have a problem with your quote there Pete.

I seem to remember a problem with Electra's in that time period
where a prop oscillation (called whirl mode) had set up stresses
in the wings which made the a/c shed a wing occasionally...

10 years prior, this problem occurred. Two planes were lost -
Branff at Buffalo, TX in 1959 and Northwest at Tell City, IN in 1960..
all Electras were subsequently limited in speed until the problem was
resolved. A strengthening of the engine mounts was the cure, and all
Electras in service were modified and the plane enjoyed an admirable
safety record after that.

Incidentally the Electra was the forerunner to the very popular
ASW P-3 aircraft

Yes, but contrary to popular belief, not the *same* aircraft - I
have often heard that the Orion is "the military version of the
Electra", when it's not. It's a highly-modified aircraft based on the
Electra, but is by no means comparable to its civilian cousin. The
Orion retains parts of the fuselage, the empennage, and the engines of
the Electra. The wings are unique to the Orion, featuring a
double-spar design requested by the Navy, who had questions about the
Electra's integrity.

Correct indeed...just as the Argus wasn't the same a/c as the
Bristol Britannia...hell, there's even more difference between
the Argus and the Britannia and the Orion/Aurora and the Electra.
BUT...they're each patterned BASICALLY after their predecessor.
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

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