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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network Reply with quote



In article <MPG.1ed8b3ceba40386b989854 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net>,
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk says...
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BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network

ALASTAIR DALTON, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

Scotsman Online 20/05/06

EDINBURGH airport has objected to plans to connect it to the rail network,
fearing a proposed tunnel under the runway could cause subsidence and
increase the costs of a second runway.

As I informed over the past few weeks - there are serious engineering
problems that have come to light re the tunneling under the airport. BAA
are now in possession of that information. EARL will not happen in the
proposed form. Plan B will now be presented for consideration. It will at
least have a sensible and perhaps even viable conclusion.

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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network Reply with quote

Jim Mason wrote:
Quote:
In article <MPG.1ed8b3ceba40386b989854 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net>,
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk says...
BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network

ALASTAIR DALTON, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

Scotsman Online 20/05/06

EDINBURGH airport has objected to plans to connect it to the rail network,
fearing a proposed tunnel under the runway could cause subsidence and
increase the costs of a second runway.

As I informed over the past few weeks - there are serious engineering
problems that have come to light re the tunneling under the airport. BAA
are now in possession of that information. EARL will not happen in the
proposed form. Plan B will now be presented for consideration. It will at
least have a sensible and perhaps even viable conclusion.

Jim

nice to see the grown ups have gotten involved, and the the ever
increasing cost is being queried, if not addressed.

Apparently TiE's Plan B is a Gravy Train with Biscuit Wheels. So, no FLS
just yet.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network Reply with quote

Jim Mason wrote:
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In article <MPG.1ed8b3ceba40386b989854 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net>,
jim.mason (AT) spamtrappedukonline (DOT) co.uk says...
BAA objects to plans to link airport with rail network

ALASTAIR DALTON, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

Scotsman Online 20/05/06

EDINBURGH airport has objected to plans to connect it to the rail network,
fearing a proposed tunnel under the runway could cause subsidence and
increase the costs of a second runway.

As I informed over the past few weeks - there are serious engineering
problems that have come to light re the tunneling under the airport. BAA
are now in possession of that information. EARL will not happen in the
proposed form. Plan B will now be presented for consideration. It will at
least have a sensible and perhaps even viable conclusion.

Adios EARL, and despite what the troll is saying, EDI does indeed have
a '2nd runway,' 767 capable also apparently.

B
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: BAA and EAL detail why EARL will never happen in it's pr Reply with quote

On Sun, 21 May 2006 17:18:28 GMT, The EDI Guy <boing (AT) boing (DOT) com>
wrote:


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It would appear TIE quite clearly haven't done their homework.

Or your correspondent.........this in a PIK newsgroup?

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too busy watering the money tree for that old shite Jim.

Jim gets paid for it?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Aberdeen is UK's most business-focused airport Reply with quote

Jim Mason wrote:
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In article <XeOdnZ3WeJaz_tvYnZ2dnUVZ8qWdnZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>, drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com
says...

(relevant groups added)

I know the percentage of business flyers through PIK is not high but I find
it hard to believe it is only 1%.

Really Doug? I find the fact that it is as high as 1% quite remarkable. It
is hardly the market PIK are aiming at.

I'm with Doug on that. I find 1% a little hard to believe. especially
when you consider routes like STN and DUB.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Aberdeen is UK's most business-focused airport Reply with quote

Jim Mason wrote:
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In article <XeOdnZ3WeJaz_tvYnZ2dnUVZ8qWdnZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>, drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com
says...

(relevant groups added)

I know the percentage of business flyers through PIK is not high but I find
it hard to believe it is only 1%.

Really Doug? I find the fact that it is as high as 1% quite remarkable. It
is hardly the market PIK are aiming at.

Jim


dinnae talk pish! Aren't businesses supposed to try to save money? Our
CEO is a great fan of PIK/Hahn, despite being based in Edinburgh.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Airline booking advice requested Reply with quote

In article <enu8eg$1tpa$1 (AT) gal (DOT) iecc.com>, johnl (AT) iecc (DOT) com says...
Quote:
Depends when in May. From 25th May Flyglobespan ( www.flyglobespan.com)
start operating from Glasgow to Boston.

Do you have any idea how far Detroit is from Boston?

Good point!

Quote:
Prices vary according to the date, but a typical round trip is
around 350GBP.

That's $700. As we saw in a previous note, you can get close to that
price from Toledo OH which is very close to Detroit to Edinburgh.

Don't discount the other central Scotland options - Edinburgh is less than
an hour from GLA and about an hour and a half from PIK. There are lo-co
flights to PIK from many UK destinations. If cost is paramount PIK could
well be a consideration if landing in the UK outwith Scotland. Direct rail
link into Glasgow and one train change direct into Edinburgh - heavily
subsidised if booking into PIK.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting CAA Statistic Reply with quote

On Feb 10, 2:06 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk>
wrote:
Quote:
In article <1171115929.298298.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
col.murd...@virgin.net says...



On Feb 10, 1:35 pm, "B" <blim...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:17 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk
wrote:

In article <MPG.2037d58c18f795998a...@news.individual.net>,
jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk says...

40% of all flights made from Scotland are made by people residing in
Strathclyde, 27% are made by people residing in the Lothians.

Source CAA

5% of EDI's passengers reside in Strathclyde. 7% of GLA's passengers reside
in the Lothians.

You must be a mind reader Jim, I was just trying to source that info.
The DfT webpage that had the 2001 stats is no more, but back then it
was 3.6% of EDI's pax were from Strathclyde and 6.2% of GLA's pax were
from Lothian, so, in the 12 months to January 2007 -

GLA had 618,709 Lothian pax.

EDI had 431,120 Strathclyde pax.

Of course it gets more complicated if you start to add other regions.

B

And compicated further if you factor in the fact that 3x as many
people live in Strathclyde as the Lothians

But whatever way you look at it - the myth of east coasters `propping up`
flights at GLA is shattered I would have thought.

Jim

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"Shattered"? I hardly think so - especially when you consider the
population of Lothian compared to Strathclyde. GLA hosts almost twice
as many Lothian residents as EDI hosts Strathclyders in absolute terms
(and the population of Lothian is only a third of that of
Strathclyde). Someone good at numbers could work out how many times
more likely a Lothian resident was to use GLA than a Strathclyde
resident was to use EDI.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting CAA Statistic Reply with quote

On 10 Feb, 14:06, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk>
wrote:
Quote:
In article <1171115929.298298.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
col.murd...@virgin.net says...



On Feb 10, 1:35 pm, "B" <blim...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:17 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk
wrote:

In article <MPG.2037d58c18f795998a...@news.individual.net>,
jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk says...

40% of all flights made from Scotland are made by people residing in
Strathclyde, 27% are made by people residing in the Lothians.

Source CAA

5% of EDI's passengers reside in Strathclyde. 7% of GLA's passengers reside
in the Lothians.

You must be a mind reader Jim, I was just trying to source that info.
The DfT webpage that had the 2001 stats is no more, but back then it
was 3.6% of EDI's pax were from Strathclyde and 6.2% of GLA's pax were
from Lothian, so, in the 12 months to January 2007 -

GLA had 618,709 Lothian pax.

EDI had 431,120 Strathclyde pax.

Of course it gets more complicated if you start to add other regions.

B

And compicated further if you factor in the fact that 3x as many
people live in Strathclyde as the Lothians

But whatever way you look at it - the myth of east coasters `propping up`
flights at GLA is shattered I would have thought.

Jim

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With all due respect, I would have said that "myth" was complete
rubbish from the start. People in Scotland will use any airport that
provides the service that they want
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting CAA Statistic Reply with quote

In article <1171117028.504195.162140 (AT) m58g2000cwm (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
col.murdoch (AT) virgin (DOT) net says...
Quote:
On Feb 10, 2:06 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk
wrote:
In article <1171115929.298298.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
col.murd...@virgin.net says...



On Feb 10, 1:35 pm, "B" <blim...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:17 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk
wrote:

In article <MPG.2037d58c18f795998a...@news.individual.net>,
jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk says...

40% of all flights made from Scotland are made by people residing in
Strathclyde, 27% are made by people residing in the Lothians.

Source CAA

5% of EDI's passengers reside in Strathclyde. 7% of GLA's passengers reside
in the Lothians.

You must be a mind reader Jim, I was just trying to source that info.
The DfT webpage that had the 2001 stats is no more, but back then it
was 3.6% of EDI's pax were from Strathclyde and 6.2% of GLA's pax were
from Lothian, so, in the 12 months to January 2007 -

GLA had 618,709 Lothian pax.

EDI had 431,120 Strathclyde pax.

Of course it gets more complicated if you start to add other regions.

B

And compicated further if you factor in the fact that 3x as many
people live in Strathclyde as the Lothians

But whatever way you look at it - the myth of east coasters `propping up`
flights at GLA is shattered I would have thought.


"Shattered"? I hardly think so - especially when you consider the
population of Lothian compared to Strathclyde.

As I said - myth shattered. Population has clearly nothing to do with it.
At either airport only a tiny percentage of the passengers are derived from
the other airports immeadiate catchment area.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting CAA Statistic Reply with quote

In article <1171119100.894887.197090 (AT) q2g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
grahamkirk1983 (AT) gmail (DOT) com says...
Quote:

With all due respect, I would have said that "myth" was complete
rubbish from the start.

Indeed Graham and I look forward to you pointing this out when the next
person spouts that rubbish in their posts by stating one particular area of
Scotland is `subsidising` or `propping up` a particular airport or a
particular flight. There are some who actually embarrass themselves by
posting such idiocy in newspaper forums as well as here.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting CAA Statistic Reply with quote

On Feb 10, 2:53 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk>
wrote:
Quote:
In article <1171117028.504195.162...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
col.murd...@virgin.net says...



On Feb 10, 2:06 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk
wrote:
In article <1171115929.298298.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
col.murd...@virgin.net says...

On Feb 10, 1:35 pm, "B" <blim...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
On Feb 10, 1:17 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk
wrote:

In article <MPG.2037d58c18f795998a...@news.individual.net>,
jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk says...

40% of all flights made from Scotland are made by people residing in
Strathclyde, 27% are made by people residing in the Lothians.

Source CAA

5% of EDI's passengers reside in Strathclyde. 7% of GLA's passengers reside
in the Lothians.

You must be a mind reader Jim, I was just trying to source that info.
The DfT webpage that had the 2001 stats is no more, but back then it
was 3.6% of EDI's pax were from Strathclyde and 6.2% of GLA's pax were
from Lothian, so, in the 12 months to January 2007 -

GLA had 618,709 Lothian pax.

EDI had 431,120 Strathclyde pax.

Of course it gets more complicated if you start to add other regions.

B

And compicated further if you factor in the fact that 3x as many
people live in Strathclyde as the Lothians

But whatever way you look at it - the myth of east coasters `propping up`
flights at GLA is shattered I would have thought.

"Shattered"? I hardly think so - especially when you consider the
population of Lothian compared to Strathclyde.

As I said - myth shattered. Population has clearly nothing to do with it.
At either airport only a tiny percentage of the passengers are derived from
the other airports immeadiate catchment area.

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Perhaps The Harthill Gap exists then - at least in the minds of those
in the Central Belt?

As I said - for those who care about these things - Lothian residents
are 6 (?) times more likely to use GLA than Strathclyders are to use
EDI. Make of that what you will - if indeed anything is to be made of
it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting CAA Statistic Reply with quote

In article <1171119687.407583.78650 (AT) j27g2000cwj (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
col.murdoch (AT) virgin (DOT) net says...

Quote:
Perhaps The Harthill Gap exists then - at least in the minds of those
in the Central Belt?

Or many duplicated services perhaps?

Quote:
As I said - for those who care about these things - Lothian residents
are 6 (?) times more likely to use GLA than Strathclyders are to use
EDI. Make of that what you will - if indeed anything is to be made of
it.

They may be 6 times more likely but the reality is somewhat different and
the reality is what I was discussing. The myth is well and truly shattered.

Jim


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Interesting CAA Statistic Reply with quote

On Feb 10, 3:05 pm, Jim Mason <jim.ma...@spamtrappedukonline.co.uk>
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They may be 6 times more likely but the reality is somewhat different and
the reality is what I was discussing. The myth is well and truly shattered.

Jim

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? ? ? I think you may be misunderstanding "more likely".

The reality in the figures you supplied is that in absolute terms
almost twice as many people from Lothian fly from GLA as Strathclyders
fly from EDI - even though there are three times as many people in
Strathclyde.

Per capita there are 6 times as many cross from Lothian to GLA as from
Strathclyde to EDI.

The actual numbers may be small - is it down to an unwillingness to
cross the great divide or simply to duplication of routes. In a
recent interesting thread of Clive's, he lamented the lack of European
Scheduled from GLA compared to EDI. BBB has supplied us with a
comprehensive list of the manifold charter and scheduled Transatlantic
options from GLA compared to EDI (in the summer, anyway). So perhaps
not that much duplication
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