AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Aviation BAE146 longevity          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Planes, gliders and flying in Australia View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message away-pits Guest Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:55 am    Post subject: Aviation BAE146 longevity Some discussion over coffee about how long BAE 146's will remain in service within OZ ? Any thoughts What are they likely to be replaced with ? Back to top Rob Guest Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Aviation BAE146 longevity away-pits wrote: Quote: Some discussion over coffee about how long BAE 146's will remain in service within OZ ? Any thoughts What are they likely to be replaced with ? And I liked the 146, confortable to travel. What are they now a 30-35 year old design. Started to fly about 1987 20yrs in service. Aircraft of that vintage more than likely need updated engine design from those Lycoming plants. What uses Lycomings now? r Back to top Scenic Guest Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Aviation BAE146 longevity away-pits wrote: Quote: Some discussion over coffee about how long BAE 146's will remain in service within OZ ? Any thoughts Until National Jet have no further need for them? After all, NJS is the only operator now. Quote: What are they likely to be replaced with ? Haven't some already been replaced in Qantaslink service, by 717's? Back to top matt weber Guest Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Aviation BAE146 longevity On 13 May 2007 17:55:04 -0700, away-pits <spamlister (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Some discussion over coffee about how long BAE 146's will remain in service within OZ ? For about as long as operators can afford what BAE charges for parts and support. In addition one of the 146's is OZ is actually an RJ70 (a slightly later model), and it was purchased for a specific mission that will be tough to replace in that mission at reasonable cost. Quote: Any thoughts What are they likely to be replaced with ? About the only aircraft with similar characteristics is probably a DH8-Q400. it isn't quite as fast as the 146 or RJ85, but has good short field performance, low noise foot print, and almost as much lift capacity. It's got significantly better fuel economy Back to top matt weber Guest Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: Aviation BAE146 longevity On 15 May 2007 16:49:53 -0700, away-pits <spamlister (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On May 15, 7:39 am, matt weber <matth...@qwest.net> wrote: On 13 May 2007 17:55:04 -0700, away-pits <spamlis...@gmail.com> wrote: Some discussion over coffee about how long BAE 146's will remain in service within OZ ? For about as long as operators can afford what BAE charges for parts and support. In addition one of the 146's is OZ is actually an RJ70 (a slightly later model), and it was purchased for a specific mission that will be tough to replace in that mission at reasonable cost. Any thoughts What are they likely to be replaced with ? About the only aircraft with similar characteristics is probably a DH8-Q400. it isn't quite as fast as the 146 or RJ85, but has good short field performance, low noise foot print, and almost as much lift capacity. It's got significantly better fuel economy Good Day Matt - that suggestion makes sense and good back up etc etc . However, there those that dont like props and the cabin buzz at certain seat rows is just awful (even with the noise cancelling gizmos) What are yours ( and others thoughts on these ) ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jets really not all that attractive, the E175 has an EW of almost 50,000 pounds, the 190 about 62,000 pounds By contrast the Dash8-400 is 37,000 pounds EW. The BAE146-200/RJ85 is 55,000 pounds. At the end of the weight cruise speed and especially EW are the drivers for fuel burn. On most of the mission, the extra speed may only clip 10-15 minutes off the scheduled flight time, when when added to nightmare that 'security' has made air travel, is trivial. 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