AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Are "Conventional" wars going out of style?          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Military Aircraft View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Are "Conventional" wars going out of style? According to: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/04/war_is_dead_ope.html "In his recent tome The Utility of Force, British Army general Rupert Smith proposes that traditional notions of war -- uniformed armies squaring off in bloody but brief contests over land -- are mostly extinct." Agree/Disagree? Back to top Hertz_Donut Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Are "Conventional" wars going out of style? <dumpster4 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176521378.240531.222160 (AT) y5g2000hsa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: According to: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/04/war_is_dead_ope.html "In his recent tome The Utility of Force, British Army general Rupert Smith proposes that traditional notions of war -- uniformed armies squaring off in bloody but brief contests over land -- are mostly extinct." Agree/Disagree? Considering that most wars now are urban warfare against militias an guerilla forces instead of uniformed armies, I would it say it is more common. Honu Back to top Leadfoot Guest Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Are "Conventional" wars going out of style? <dumpster4 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1176521378.240531.222160 (AT) y5g2000hsa (DOT) googlegroups.com... Quote: According to: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/04/war_is_dead_ope.html "In his recent tome The Utility of Force, British Army general Rupert Smith proposes that traditional notions of war -- uniformed armies squaring off in bloody but brief contests over land -- are mostly extinct." Agree/Disagree? By continent next 25 years North and South America Highly unlikely Europe With perhaps the exception of the Balkans Highly unlikely Asia Russia against one of the former Soviet republics Possible Russia vs China Possible China vs India Possible China vs Taiwan Fair chance China vs Japan Possible China vs Korea (unified and separate) Possible China vs Vietnam Possible China vs USA Possible India vs Pakistan Likely Iran vs Iraq Likely Iran vs Saudi Arabia Possible Iran vs a persian gulf mini-state Possible Iraq vs Turkey (kurdistan) Possible Israel vs Syria Likely Africa Too complicated to list Probable Back to top Guest Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Are "Conventional" wars going out of style? The Book "Brave New War" discusses "open source guerrillas" and how they may be stopped. See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/05/q_tell_me_a_lit.html Back to top Guest Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Are "Conventional" wars going out of style? On May 16, 9:05 pm, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote: Quote: The Book "Brave New War" discusses "open source guerrillas" and how they may be stopped. See: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/05/q_tell_me_a_lit.html The second part of this article can be found at: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/05/q_tell_me_more_.html Back to top Jim Yanik Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Are "Conventional" wars going out of style? dumpster4 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote in news:1179798590.655535.46280 (AT) z24g2000prd (DOT) googlegroups.com: Quote: The article at: http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/05/schrdingers-cat.html includes the following: "My best guess is that a strong and legitimate government of a unified Iraq will emerge more quickly if the United States withdraws. This is because the international journalists will mostly leave if the United States leaves, so the combatants will be free to use brutal methods that will more quickly and decisively exhaust the losers' will to fight." I disagree;Iran would interfere even more in the chaos that would erupt. The result would be a fragmented "Iraq"(Sunni,Shia,Kurd),and a secure place for terrorists to work,with oil revenue available to the terrorists. Quote: and: "Tigerhawk is not the first person to suggest that the success of a counterinsurgency campaign varies inversely with the presence of the mass media. Max Boot once suggested that small American interventions succeeded because they did not drag in the press, " Does that sound about right? IMO,the damage the Mainstream Media is doing is in the CONUS,not on the battlefield. The troops are being demoralized by the DemocRATs surrender desire,as shown by all the lame legislative attempts to force a withdrawal. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net Back to top Guest Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Are "Conventional" wars going out of style? The article at: http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/05/schrdingers-cat.html includes the following: "My best guess is that a strong and legitimate government of a unified Iraq will emerge more quickly if the United States withdraws. This is because the international journalists will mostly leave if the United States leaves, so the combatants will be free to use brutal methods that will more quickly and decisively exhaust the losers' will to fight." and: "Tigerhawk is not the first person to suggest that the success of a counterinsurgency campaign varies inversely with the presence of the mass media. Max Boot once suggested that small American interventions succeeded because they did not drag in the press, " Does that sound about right? 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