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6Gk · Guest

I don't think you could go wrong with either one.

Rob brought a bunch of pilots down to my chapter's competition, and they all
performed well.

Although I don't know Mike, his reputation is excellent.

Have a great time,

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Saville · Guest

6Gk,

Thanks for the info!

Happy new Year.

6Gk wrote:

Guest · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Blunt Trailing Edges

here is what I have read somewhere.

Blunted trailing edges on the wings such as are found on the Extra
series of aircraft where I believe this practice was first undertaken
cause a delay in the stall. Something to do with the turblence and the
associated vacuum causing a delay in separation. To the best of my
knowledge the idea was explored in Germany during the 40's(?). Having
looked at these aircraft up close these blunted trailing edges are 1/4
thick at most and I gather their effect is significant or I suspect Mr.
Extra would have done something else.

Cheers

.......... Smile

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Markus Feyerabend · Guest

Thanks for the update!

Last summer I had the chance to have a look at the SP-55 up close and the
trailing edges of all flying surfaces where extremely thick. From 1/4 inch
on the wingtip (or elevator/rudder) to more than 1 inch on the wing root. I
was wondering what this is for and the russian engieneer I asked couldn´t
answer...

Cheers

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Scott Rodriguez · Guest

I believe this helps with rapid centering of the control, minimizes control
surface overshoot, and allows the pilot to "feel" the center better.

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Tom Inglima · Guest

Spins have NEVER been in the private pilot PTS. The PTS (Practical Test
Standard) only has been in existence for around 20 years or so. The last
time spins were required for a Private Certificate was back in the early
1950's or maybe the late 1940's. Note that there is nothing that prevents
an instructor from teaching spins to a student pilot. However you would
have to wear parachutes to be legal since the regs only allow spins without
the wearing of parachutes for people training for a flight instructor
certificate.

The predecessor for the PTS was the Flight Test Guides. These were slim
volumes of not more than 20 pages and about 2 or 3 inches wide and about 4
inches high. In any case they were smaller than a 3 by 5 index card. they
had very broad descriptions of maneuvers' and gave examiners and inspectors
wide latitude in what and how they wanted you to perform various maneuvers.
Part 61 was actually a much better regulation then in that it clearly made
the CFI responsible for preparing a competent pilot that was able to show
good judgment.

The predecessor regs and guidance was to list the actual maneuvers in the
reg. If you could get a monkey to somehow do the maneuver a certificate
would be issued.

Tom Inglima

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RST Engineering · Guest

Note that what is said here is not true. The regs say that you can teach
any maneuver that is "required for a rating" without parachutes. This
includes spins. You can teach a student spins without a parachute(s) if
you wish.

Jim

Note that there is nothing that prevents

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Jim Macklin · Guest

A CFI may instruct spins to any level of pilot without
parachutes being worn. The spin is required for the CFI
applicant, but since it is required for some level of
certificate, it may be taught to any pilot. Of course no
passengers may be aboard, just the CFI and the "student."

91.307
(c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an
approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying
any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any
intentional maneuver that exceeds-

(1) A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon; or

(2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative
to the horizon.

(d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply to-

(1) Flight tests for pilot certification or rating; or

(2) Spins and other flight maneuvers required by the
regulations for any certificate or rating when given by-

(i) A certificated flight instructor; or

(ii) An airline transport pilot instructing in accordance
with §61.67 of this chapter

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| Spins have NEVER been in the private pilot PTS. The PTS
(Practical Test
| Standard) only has been in existence for around 20 years
or so. The last
| time spins were required for a Private Certificate was
back in the early
| 1950's or maybe the late 1940's. Note that there is
nothing that prevents
| an instructor from teaching spins to a student pilot.
However you would
| have to wear parachutes to be legal since the regs only
allow spins without
| the wearing of parachutes for people training for a flight
instructor
| certificate.
|
| The predecessor for the PTS was the Flight Test Guides.
These were slim
| volumes of not more than 20 pages and about 2 or 3 inches
wide and about 4
| inches high. In any case they were smaller than a 3 by 5
index card. they
| had very broad descriptions of maneuvers' and gave
examiners and inspectors
| wide latitude in what and how they wanted you to perform
various maneuvers.
| Part 61 was actually a much better regulation then in that
it clearly made
| the CFI responsible for preparing a competent pilot that
was able to show
| good judgment.
|
| The predecessor regs and guidance was to list the actual
maneuvers in the
| reg. If you could get a monkey to somehow do the maneuver
a certificate
| would be issued.
|
| Tom Inglima
|
| "Chris G." <nospam@noemail> wrote in message
|
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| > Besides, spin training is NOT required for a private
pilot certificate.
| > Spin AWARENESS (aka recognizing you're going to get into
a spin) is
| > required. Spins are not part of the PTS anymore though.
| >
| > I don't necessarily think that omitting spins from the
PTS is the best
| > move the FAA has made, but I don't know the whole story.
I know I'm
| > having my instructor make sure he teaches me spins in
the 150 I'm learning
| > in. I believe that training in spins and spin recovery
is a very
| > important skills that could save my life one day.
| >
| > Chris
| >
| >
| > cfeyeye (AT) nowhere (DOT) com wrote:
| >> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:46:42 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
| >> <wr.giacona@coxDOTnet> wrote:
| >>
| >>
| >>><cfeyeye (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote in message
| >>>news:neqv619h1i69gio0rgubccefr34a6mjma2 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
| >>>
| >>>>On 27 Apr 2005 09:43:30 -0700, "Noah Fiedel"
<nfiedel (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
| >>>>wrote:
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>>In addition, were you & your instructor wearing
parachutes
| >>>>>as required for aerobatic flight?
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>Not required, since spin training is required for a
rating.
| >>>
| >>>Looked to me like a roll not a spin.
| >>
| >>
| >> Oooops.
| >>
| >> Never mind.
| >>
| >>
| >>
|

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In rec.aviation.student Todd W. Deckard <twdeckard (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: