AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  AFR to Paris Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Glasgow Airport View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Doug Maclean Guest Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: AFR to Paris I believe AFR have confirmed no that their intention is to try to get pax to route via AMS or even AMS / Paris to connect with long haul. Quite frankly with the demonstrated sucess of direct flights out of Scotland AFR are basically abandoning GLA as a source of passengers. Doug Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I believe AFR have confirmed no that their intention is to try to get pax to route via AMS or even AMS / Paris to connect with long haul. Quite frankly with the demonstrated sucess of direct flights out of Scotland AFR are basically abandoning GLA as a source of passengers. Doug Yes seems odd if true. I see the FlyBE flights are still listed over the summer. Either way it's not much good as pax intending to connect onto long haul don't need the hassle of connecting first to get there. Easier to use another airline with only one stop. We'll see if this new Scottish marketing initiative comes to fruition but if the missing link is still missing, that would seem odd business sense. I rekon GLA is the biggest airport in Europe with no direct flight to Paris. 90,000 used the route in the last year it was served direct and Air France must know there is a market for them here. Back to top Adrian Tupper Guest Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in news:cs9foe$u4e$1 (AT) newsg1 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk: Quote: "Doug Maclean" <drmayr (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in message news:cs9a3c$od5$1 (AT) sparta (DOT) btinternet.com... I believe AFR have confirmed no that their intention is to try to get pax to route via AMS or even AMS / Paris to connect with long haul. Quite frankly with the demonstrated sucess of direct flights out of Scotland AFR are basically abandoning GLA as a source of passengers. Doug Yes seems odd if true. I see the FlyBE flights are still listed over the summer. Either way it's not much good as pax intending to connect onto long haul don't need the hassle of connecting first to get there. Easier to use another airline with only one stop. Yes. Changing planes once is a nuicence. Twice is careless. Quote: We'll see if this new Scottish marketing initiative comes to fruition but if the missing link is still missing, that would seem odd business sense. I rekon GLA is the biggest airport in Europe with no direct flight to Paris. Interesting thought. Do you mean biggest airport or biggest city? Or the combination of both? I note you're trying to ensure that PIK-BVA doesn't qualify ;-) Quote: 90,000 used the route in the last year it was served direct and Air France must know there is a market for them here. Why did they stop? -- Adrian Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris "Adrian Tupper" <adrian.tupper (AT) totalise (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Yes seems odd if true. I see the FlyBE flights are still listed over the summer. Either way it's not much good as pax intending to connect onto long haul don't need the hassle of connecting first to get there. Easier to use another airline with only one stop. Yes. Changing planes once is a nuicence. Twice is careless. A non-starter when folks could use the BA network more realistically with 1 change. Quote: We'll see if this new Scottish marketing initiative comes to fruition but if the missing link is still missing, that would seem odd business sense. I rekon GLA is the biggest airport in Europe with no direct flight to Paris. Interesting thought. Do you mean biggest airport or biggest city? Or the combination of both? I note you're trying to ensure that PIK-BVA doesn't qualify Yes indeed I am. PIK-BVA is no use whatsoever for connecting onto the Air France network and I specify the airport purposefully. Regardless of PIK GLA moves 8.5m pax per year and with 14 flights a week to PRG, 30-odd to AMS and 0 to Paris doesn't make sense. If anyone can find another European airport with at least an 8.5m throughput I'd be interested to hear. With France being one of our nearest neighbours and biggest markets the anomoly is striking. If as reported Air France /KLM intend marketing the double hubs from the 3 Scottish airports in competition with BA at LHR, I don't understand how CDG-GLA could be missing. I think you agree on this subject which we've discussed before Adrian? Quote: 90,000 used the route in the last year it was served direct and Air France must know there is a market for them here. Why did they stop? -- I guess when they contracted British European to do their BHX flights they thought they could cut costs by linking the GLA service that way. Clearly it didn't work. As we know up to 60-70% of pax to the main Euro hubs are connecting through but the BHX changeover all but cut those pax from the equation. IMO of course - I don't know what the actual reason was or if any was given. Clive Back to top Clive Braham Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote Quote: Yes indeed I am. PIK-BVA is no use whatsoever for connecting onto the Air France network and I specify the airport purposefully. Regardless of PIK GLA moves 8.5m pax per year and with 14 flights a week to PRG, 30-odd to AMS and 0 to Paris doesn't make sense. If anyone can find another European airport with at least an 8.5m throughput I'd be interested to hear. Oops, I should have added "with no flights to Paris" or words to that effect. Back to top L1011 Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris Hi all Assuming that KLM operate the services that most GLA to CDG pax transfer to, why duplicate the resource. AFR own KLM so whether you fly AMS or CDG its money in AFR pocket. They are not abandoning GLA as a source of passengers as you suggest, they have chosen the stronger brand out of GLA. At least going via AMS it is direct and leaves scope for more 737 services. L1011 Back to top Blimpee Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris The message <Xns95DEEE9F4F265z (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119> from Adrian Tupper <adrian.tupper (AT) totalise (DOT) co.uk> contains these words: Quote: "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in news:cs9foe$u4e$1 (AT) newsg1 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk: Quote: We'll see if this new Scottish marketing initiative comes to fruition but if the missing link is still missing, that would seem odd business sense. I rekon GLA is the biggest airport in Europe with no direct flight to Paris. Interesting thought. Do you mean biggest airport or biggest city? Or the combination of both? I note you're trying to ensure that PIK-BVA doesn't qualify It isn't in Clive's SCOTLAND.? :-( -- Blimpee administrator, alt.airports.uk.glasgow Back to top Adrian Tupper Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in news:cs9ni0$lvu$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk: Quote: "Adrian Tupper" <adrian.tupper (AT) totalise (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:Xns95DEEE9F4F265z (AT) 194 (DOT) 247.47.119... Yes seems odd if true. I see the FlyBE flights are still listed over the summer. Either way it's not much good as pax intending to connect onto long haul don't need the hassle of connecting first to get there. Easier to use another airline with only one stop. Yes. Changing planes once is a nuicence. Twice is careless. A non-starter when folks could use the BA network more realistically with 1 change. We'll see if this new Scottish marketing initiative comes to fruition but if the missing link is still missing, that would seem odd business sense. I rekon GLA is the biggest airport in Europe with no direct flight to Paris. Interesting thought. Do you mean biggest airport or biggest city? Or the combination of both? I note you're trying to ensure that PIK-BVA doesn't qualify ;-) Yes indeed I am. PIK-BVA is no use whatsoever for connecting onto the Air France network and I specify the airport purposefully. Regardless of PIK GLA moves 8.5m pax per year and with 14 flights a week to PRG, 30-odd to AMS and 0 to Paris doesn't make sense. If anyone can find another European airport with at least an 8.5m throughput I'd be interested to hear. With France being one of our nearest neighbours and biggest markets the anomoly is striking. If as reported Air France /KLM intend marketing the double hubs from the 3 Scottish airports in competition with BA at LHR, I don't understand how CDG-GLA could be missing. I think you agree on this subject which we've discussed before Adrian? Of course I like the idea of more choice. I'm just don't know AF's reasons for not flying to GLA. Quote: 90,000 used the route in the last year it was served direct and Air France must know there is a market for them here. Why did they stop? -- I guess when they contracted British European to do their BHX flights they thought they could cut costs by linking the GLA service that way. Clearly it didn't work. As we know up to 60-70% of pax to the main Euro hubs are connecting through but the BHX changeover all but cut those pax from the equation. IMO of course - I don't know what the actual reason was or if any was given. You're probably right. Just about manageable for leisure pax but not for business or long-haul connections. -- Adrian Back to top Adrian Tupper Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in news:cs9o3v$4kb$1 (AT) newsg1 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk: Quote: "Clive Braham" <clive (AT) braham5 (DOT) freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:cs9ni0$lvu$1 (AT) news8 (DOT) svr.pol.co.uk... Yes indeed I am. PIK-BVA is no use whatsoever for connecting onto the Air France network and I specify the airport purposefully. Regardless of PIK GLA moves 8.5m pax per year and with 14 flights a week to PRG, 30-odd to AMS and 0 to Paris doesn't make sense. If anyone can find another European airport with at least an 8.5m throughput I'd be interested to hear. Oops, I should have added "with no flights to Paris" or words to that effect. I knew what you meant :-) ANd no, I can't think of any. -- Adrian Back to top hiddelston@yahoo.co.uk Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris Just as I posted in an earlier AF-CDG topic it seems to confirm my feelings regarding a new direct service,for whatever reason AF just don't see any necessity for it .. I can only assume that they feel the majority of PAX can be accomodated better by using AMS for onward connections and with the infrastructure already in place with the KLM services it wouldn't be worth the setup costs to start a CDG service. All this does not help me with regard to flights to South America unless they expand the KLM network to include the same destinations that AF serve from CDG if that happens I don't really care whether I go via AMS or CDG although KLM will have to meet the same standards as Air France or I will start looking elsewhere. I wonder if this will spell the demise of the Aberdeen CDG service? At least it will probably mean the AMS service will be upgraded from all Scottish airports. Crawford Hiddelston Back to top Iain Guest Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris <hiddelston (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Just as I posted in an earlier AF-CDG topic it seems to confirm my feelings regarding a new direct service,for whatever reason AF just don't see any necessity for it . I can only assume that they feel the majority of PAX can be accomodated better by using AMS for onward connections and with the infrastructure already in place with the KLM services it wouldn't be worth the setup costs to start a CDG service. All this does not help me with regard to flights to South America unless they expand the KLM network to include the same destinations that AF serve from CDG if that happens I don't really care whether I go via AMS or CDG although KLM will have to meet the same standards as Air France or I will start looking elsewhere. I wonder if this will spell the demise of the Aberdeen CDG service? As with many services at Aberdeen, I think the oil industry sustains the ABZ-CDG service. I'm not sure if the loads are particularly high, but I've heard that the route picks up a lot of high-yield oil pax who transfer on AFs African services at CDG. Back to top travel.logue@ntlworld.com Guest Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris Quote: As with many services at Aberdeen, I think the oil industry sustains the ABZ-CDG service. I'm not sure if the loads are particularly high, but I've heard that the route picks up a lot of high-yield oil pax who transfer on AFs African services at CDG. You've hit the nail on the head. West Africa is booming at the moment, particularly Angola and Nigeria. I have worked down off Angola recently, we normally fly down to Pointe Noire in the Congo and take a crew boat out to the field. The preferred flight option is the direct AF service CDG to PNR. However we often go AF via Brazzavile or Libreville. If your unlucky you get the Air Gabon Service. Anyway most UK people are connecting from ABZ. Cattle class return can be in the region of 2400 GBP (Definetly High Yield). As I usually fly from GLA I don't know what the load factors are like from ABZ. Back to top Gavin Coates Guest Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris Doug Maclean wrote: Quote: I believe AFR have confirmed no that their intention is to try to get pax to route via AMS or even AMS / Paris to connect with long haul. Quite frankly with the demonstrated sucess of direct flights out of Scotland AFR are basically abandoning GLA as a source of passengers. Doug As posted in this thread: http://www.taxiwayalpha.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1123 KLM will operate 8 flights a week GLA-CDG... -- regards, G Coates webmaster www.taxiwayalpha.com Back to top Adrian Tupper Guest Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris Gavin Coates <webmaster (AT) SPAMtaxiwayalpha (DOT) com> wrote in news:41ebf447$0$14610$ed2619ec (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net: Quote: Doug Maclean wrote: I believe AFR have confirmed no that their intention is to try to get pax to route via AMS or even AMS / Paris to connect with long haul. Quite frankly with the demonstrated sucess of direct flights out of Scotland AFR are basically abandoning GLA as a source of passengers. Doug As posted in this thread: http://www.taxiwayalpha.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1123 KLM will operate 8 flights a week GLA-CDG... I'm glad you followed that. It wasn't clear to me. -- Adrian Back to top Gavin Coates Guest Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: AFR to Paris Adrian Tupper wrote: Quote: Gavin Coates <webmaster (AT) SPAMtaxiwayalpha (DOT) com> wrote in news:41ebf447$0$14610$ed2619ec (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net: Doug Maclean wrote: I believe AFR have confirmed no that their intention is to try to get pax to route via AMS or even AMS / Paris to connect with long haul. Quite frankly with the demonstrated sucess of direct flights out of Scotland AFR are basically abandoning GLA as a source of passengers. Doug As posted in this thread: http://www.taxiwayalpha.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1123 KLM will operate 8 flights a week GLA-CDG... I'm glad you followed that. It wasn't clear to me. Me neither, but thats what it seems to say. It does of course say "KLM" and not Air France, which is somewhat strange...? -- regards, G Coates webmaster www.taxiwayalpha.com Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Glasgow Airport All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.