AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass!          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviators (General Discussions) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message HECTOP Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! Talk about air rage! http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/21/reverse.air.rage.ap/index.html -- HECTOP PP-ASEL-IA http://www.maxho.com maxho_at_maxho.com Back to top AJC Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! On 21 Jul 2004 10:50:02 -0400, HECTOP <maxho (AT) remove (DOT) maxho.com> wrote: Quote: Talk about air rage! http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/21/reverse.air.rage.ap/index.html Talk about getting subjects wrong! They weren't Aeroflot flight attendants. --==++AJC++==-- Back to top Paul Tomblin Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! In a previous article, AJC <ajc (AT) wxs (DOT) nl> said: Quote: On 21 Jul 2004 10:50:02 -0400, HECTOP <maxho (AT) remove (DOT) maxho.com> wrote: Talk about air rage! http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/21/reverse.air.rage.ap/index.html Talk about getting subjects wrong! They weren't Aeroflot flight attendants. They weren't? Then why does the article say "Two crew members on a domestic Aeroflot flight beat up a passenger who had complained that the flight attendants were drunk, airline spokeswoman Irina Dannenberg said."? That one sentence confirms that they were on an Aeroflot flight, and that the people doing the assault were flight attendants. That makes them "Aeroflot flight attendants" by any definition of the word. Yes, they were subcontracted from another airline, but as long as it's an Aeroflot flight, they're Aeroflot flight attendants. -- Paul Tomblin <ptomblin (AT) xcski (DOT) com> http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ I use shell scripts at ork. Some cow-orkers refuse to touch them, their excuse is usually "I don't understand perl". Their fear of perl is such that all things unknown are also perl. -- Andrew Dalgleish Back to top devil Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:37:17 +0000, Paul Tomblin wrote: Quote: In a previous article, AJC <ajc (AT) wxs (DOT) nl> said: On 21 Jul 2004 10:50:02 -0400, HECTOP <maxho (AT) remove (DOT) maxho.com> wrote: Talk about air rage! http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/21/reverse.air.rage.ap/index.html Talk about getting subjects wrong! They weren't Aeroflot flight attendants. They weren't? Then why does the article say "Two crew members on a domestic Aeroflot flight beat up a passenger who had complained that the flight attendants were drunk, airline spokeswoman Irina Dannenberg said."? That one sentence confirms that they were on an Aeroflot flight, and that the people doing the assault were flight attendants. That makes them "Aeroflot flight attendants" by any definition of the word. Yes, they were subcontracted from another airline, but as long as it's an Aeroflot flight, they're Aeroflot flight attendants. Yes and no. My understanding is that while they were operating a flight for Aeroflot, they were actually not an Aeroflot crew. Back to top Ajanta Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! HECTOP <maxho (AT) remove (DOT) maxho.com> wrote: Quote: Talk about air rage! http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/21/reverse.air.rage.ap/index.html Hmm, I think Northwest crews could take a pointer from this. :) Back to top AJC Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:37:17 +0000 (UTC), ptomblin+netnews (AT) xcski (DOT) com (Paul Tomblin) wrote: Quote: In a previous article, AJC <ajc (AT) wxs (DOT) nl> said: On 21 Jul 2004 10:50:02 -0400, HECTOP <maxho (AT) remove (DOT) maxho.com> wrote: Talk about air rage! http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/21/reverse.air.rage.ap/index.html Talk about getting subjects wrong! They weren't Aeroflot flight attendants. They weren't? Then why does the article say "Two crew members on a domestic Aeroflot flight beat up a passenger who had complained that the flight attendants were drunk, airline spokeswoman Irina Dannenberg said."? That one sentence confirms that they were on an Aeroflot flight, and that the people doing the assault were flight attendants. That makes them "Aeroflot flight attendants" by any definition of the word. Yes, they were subcontracted from another airline, but as long as it's an Aeroflot flight, they're Aeroflot flight attendants. The flight was a TU154 owned and operated and crewed by Aviaenergo. It just had an Aeroflot flight number. The flight attendants were paid, trained, and could well be fired by Aviaenergo. They were not Aeroflot flight attendants, any more than the flight attendants on Northwest flight NW8651 are Northwest flight attendants. --==++AJC++==-- Back to top gatt Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! "devil" <devil (AT) attglobal (DOT) net> wrote in message Quote: My understanding is that while they were operating a flight for Aeroflot, they were actually not an Aeroflot crew. If the PIC was flying the plane, it wouldn't matter if he was an Aeroflot "pilot." He's part of the crew. Similarly, if the crew aboard the Aeroflot flight had assumed normal responsibilities of the flight crew, it can safely be said by anybody who isn't trying to be a pedantic usenet ass that they were the flight crew for that Aeroflot flight. Ergo, they were at that time an active Aeroflot crew. -c Back to top cj Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:08 am    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! "gatt" <gatt (AT) livefromtheclocktower (DOT) com> wrote Quote: safely be said by anybody who isn't trying to be a pedantic usenet ass that "pedantic usenet ass". I like that! There's at least one in every group I read. PUnA -cj Back to top Paul Tomblin Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! In a previous article, "cj" <1am (AT) home (DOT) now> said: Quote: "pedantic usenet ass". I like that! There's at least one in every group I read. And if you don't see one, that means it's you, right? (Reference to an old poker group - "If you look around the table and can't spot the patsy, it's you.") -- Paul Tomblin <ptomblin (AT) xcski (DOT) com> http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ " Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. " - Groucho Marx Back to top abacus Guest Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! "cj" <1am (AT) home (DOT) now> wrote Quote: "gatt" <gatt (AT) livefromtheclocktower (DOT) com> wrote in message news:10ftjnvfqdpvc5e (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... safely be said by anybody who isn't trying to be a pedantic usenet ass that "pedantic usenet ass". I like that! There's at least one in every group I read. PUnA -cj EVERY group? are you sure....... abacus Back to top Ulf Kutzner Guest Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Aeroflot flight attendants kick ass! AJC schrieb: Quote: The flight was a TU154 owned and operated and crewed by Aviaenergo. It just had an Aeroflot flight number. The flight attendants were paid, trained, and could well be fired by Aviaenergo. They were not Aeroflot flight attendants Was it a code share flight or a subcontracted one? 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