AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Advice Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message thenewkid Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Advice I'm starting flights school in a couple of months, do you guys have any advice? Back to top TMG Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice Advise? Only one: Make sure you enjoy it! "thenewkid" <jennauld (AT) cc (DOT) usu.edu> wrote Quote: I'm starting flights school in a couple of months, do you guys have any advice? Back to top houstondan Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice i just got my private a couple of months ago so my experience is still pretty fresh. immediately get a copy of "stick and rudder" it's a book by wolfgang langewiesche. it was written 60 years ago and is still widely considered the best starter text. it will seem quaint and old and out of date ay first but read it anyway. commit the time and money to get it done right at the beginning. take what they tell you to expect (time & money) and bump that by at least 50%. once a week or so just does not get it done and will cost a lot more money overall. go for 3 times a week if you can. so much of this stuff is muscle-memory and feel that each non-flying day just puts you deeper in a hole. try to dedicate an area (your computer area?) to the effort. sportys will send you (for free?) a near lifesize poster of the panel(controls) of a trainer. put that on the wall nearby so you can fly your chair. go ahead and get your medical now. i know a couple of people who were well down the road of learning to fly, absolutely loved it and were washed out. if there are any questions about not passing then do NOT take the physical ever....see "sport pilot". join a.o.p.a. good luck dan Back to top Barry Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice Quote: immediately get a copy of "stick and rudder" it's a book by wolfgang langewiesche. it was written 60 years ago and is still widely considered the best starter text. I'm a CFI and I strongly disagree with this advice. I have a copy of Stick and Rudder, and find it interesting, but I think it's a bad reference for a beginning student. Learn to fly first, then if you want you can read Stick and Rudder after you've established good flying skills and habits. Barry Back to top googlegroups@tomato.cotse Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice I'm a CFI and I think Dan is right on with his advice. I think Stick and Rudder is a top notch book and an excellant reference for the beginning student! It's a must read for everyone I teach! -gary Back to top Bob Gardner Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice I think that the majority of instructors would disagree with you. Bob Gardner "Barry" <a@b.c> wrote Quote: immediately get a copy of "stick and rudder" it's a book by wolfgang langewiesche. it was written 60 years ago and is still widely considered the best starter text. I'm a CFI and I strongly disagree with this advice. I have a copy of Stick and Rudder, and find it interesting, but I think it's a bad reference for a beginning student. Learn to fly first, then if you want you can read Stick and Rudder after you've established good flying skills and habits. Barry Back to top Trent Moorehead Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice "Barry" <a@b.c> wrote Quote: I'm a CFI and I strongly disagree with this advice. I have a copy of Stick and Rudder, and find it interesting, but I think it's a bad reference for a beginning student. Learn to fly first, then if you want you can read Stick and Rudder after you've established good flying skills and habits. Barry Depends on the student. Many students (me included) like to have their mind around an activity before they physically get into it. Flying can be a confounding mystery if you don't have at least a crude understanding about what's going on. In my case, I took a couple of introductory flights and then I got some King tapes and books and dove in. This reminds me of the time I tried to teach my wife to windsurf. I told her that I needed to go over a few things first before we went out to the beach, just some brief instruction about how a sailboat works. She was very resistant to my brief lessons and told me that she just wanted to get out there and start trying. I gave up and we went out to the sound, but I did tell her that without a basic understanding of the physics of sailing she could get very frustrated and windsurfing is not an easy thing to learn anyway. Long story short, for 5 hours, all she ever did was get up, pull the sail in, turn into the wind and fall down. Over and over again. It's kind of funny now, but she was not a happy camper. -Trent PP-ASEL Back to top Jay Beckman Guest Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice "Trent Moorehead" <twmoorehead_nospam_ (AT) netzero (DOT) net> wrote Quote: <Snip> Quote: Long story short, for 5 hours, all she ever did was get up, pull the sail in, turn into the wind and fall down. Over and over again. It's kind of funny now, but she was not a happy camper. -Trent PP-ASEL Because she was frustrated...or because you were right? :O) Jay B Back to top Barry Guest Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Stick and Rudder Quote: I'm a CFI and I strongly disagree with this advice. I have a copy of Stick and Rudder, and find it interesting, but I think it's a bad reference for a beginning student. Learn to fly first, then if you want you can read Stick and Rudder after you've established good flying skills and habits. Depends on the student. Many students (me included) like to have their mind around an activity before they physically get into it. Flying can be a confounding mystery if you don't have at least a crude understanding about what's going on. In my case, I took a couple of introductory flights and then I got some King tapes and books and dove in. I agree with getting into the activity mentally first (I'm the same way); it's Stick and Rudder specifically that I don't like for this. In particular, I think that students who are exposed too early to its insistence that "stick controls airspeed, throttle controls altitude" are likely to develop bad habits. Barry Back to top houstondan Guest Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Stick and Rudder thanks for coming back with that 'cause i was about to ask you "why not?" i'm not sure i'm competant to debate you on that one point but i still think the way he presents the whole experience is just perfect.. and remember young cadets; only proper use of your flippers ensures a good zoom. ya gotta love that stuff. dan Back to top Trent Moorehead Guest Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice "Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "Trent Moorehead" <twmoorehead_nospam_ (AT) netzero (DOT) net> wrote in message news:41f6c287$1 (AT) news1 (DOT) dpn.deere.com... Snip Long story short, for 5 hours, all she ever did was get up, pull the sail in, turn into the wind and fall down. Over and over again. It's kind of funny now, but she was not a happy camper. -Trent PP-ASEL Because she was frustrated...or because you were right? :O) Jay B Both! But you know, a husband is never REALLY right. Back to top googlegroups@tomato.cotse Guest Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Stick and Rudder Barry - at the risk of sounding like a troll! Are you implying that students should NOT be taught that "stick controls airspeed, throttle controls altitude"?? -gary Barry wrote: Quote: I'm a CFI and I strongly disagree with this advice. I have a copy of Stick and Rudder, and find it interesting, but I think it's a bad reference for a beginning student. Learn to fly first, then if you want you can read Stick and Rudder after you've established good flying skills and habits. Depends on the student. Many students (me included) like to have their mind around an activity before they physically get into it. Flying can be a confounding mystery if you don't have at least a crude understanding about what's going on. In my case, I took a couple of introductory flights and then I got some King tapes and books and dove in. I agree with getting into the activity mentally first (I'm the same way); it's Stick and Rudder specifically that I don't like for this. In particular, I think that students who are exposed too early to its insistence that "stick controls airspeed, throttle controls altitude" are likely to develop bad habits. Barry Back to top Jim Guest Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Stick and Rudder On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:00:01 -0500, "Barry" <a@b.c> wrote: Quote: I'm a CFI and I strongly disagree with this advice. I have a copy of Stick and Rudder, and find it interesting, but I think it's a bad reference for a beginning student. Learn to fly first, then if you want you can read Stick and Rudder after you've established good flying skills and habits. Depends on the student. Many students (me included) like to have their mind around an activity before they physically get into it. Flying can be a confounding mystery if you don't have at least a crude understanding about what's going on. In my case, I took a couple of introductory flights and then I got some King tapes and books and dove in. I agree with getting into the activity mentally first (I'm the same way); it's Stick and Rudder specifically that I don't like for this. In particular, I think that students who are exposed too early to its insistence that "stick controls airspeed, throttle controls altitude" are likely to develop bad habits. Barry I confess that I just don't follow this. What bad habits do you anticipate from pilots who fly with the concepts that "stick controls airspeed, throttle controls altitude"? I have read Stick and Rudder many times over the years, as well as Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators, and both stress the primacy of stick for airspeed and power for altitude. Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Stick and Rudder On 1/25/2005 18:00, Barry wrote: Quote: I'm a CFI and I strongly disagree with this advice. I have a copy of Stick and Rudder, and find it interesting, but I think it's a bad reference for a beginning student. Learn to fly first, then if you want you can read Stick and Rudder after you've established good flying skills and habits. Depends on the student. Many students (me included) like to have their mind around an activity before they physically get into it. Flying can be a confounding mystery if you don't have at least a crude understanding about what's going on. In my case, I took a couple of introductory flights and then I got some King tapes and books and dove in. I agree with getting into the activity mentally first (I'm the same way); it's Stick and Rudder specifically that I don't like for this. In particular, I think that students who are exposed too early to its insistence that "stick controls airspeed, throttle controls altitude" are likely to develop bad habits. Barry What? The elevator doesn't control airspeed? I'm not a CFI, but in all the books I've read, they all agree (as does the limited amount of actual flight experience I have so far) that power control altitude and elevator controls airspeed. What is the first thing you do if you determine you're going too slow on final? What is the first thing you do when you're approaching a stall? It should be to get the nose down - then worry about power. Note, however, that both are required for maintaining your desired flight characteristic... -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL Back to top Scott D. Guest Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice On 25 Jan 2005 08:43:16 -0800, "thenewkid" <jennauld (AT) cc (DOT) usu.edu> wrote: Quote: I'm starting flights school in a couple of months, do you guys have any advice? Shiny side up, Greasy side down! 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