AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Advertising prices ex-tax Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Planes, gliders and flying in Australia View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Neil Gerace Guest Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: Advertising prices ex-tax "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) Back to top Sylvia Else Guest Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax Neil Gerace wrote: Quote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) It seems to be a common practice that the ACCC should look into. Probably not specifically illegal unless they exclude GST as well. Sylvia. Back to top johnie Guest Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote Quote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) I think Qantas went to court to have this type of advertising restored. Virgin Blue were whining about it in a half page ad in the Courier Mail just before Christmas as I recall. Don't know the answer to the rest of your question tho. johnie Back to top Petzl Guest Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:03:32 GMT, "johnie" <johnie (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote: Quote: "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote in message news:41cfc8d7$0$5680$5a62ac22 (AT) per-qv1-newsreader-01 (DOT) iinet.net.au... "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) I think Qantas went to court to have this type of advertising restored. Virgin Blue were whining about it in a half page ad in the Courier Mail just before Christmas as I recall. Don't know the answer to the rest of your question tho. johnie Unconstitutional tax is/becomes a charge? Animal Farm has it correct if you "charge" something long enough people forget what it was to start with (The Gov hope ex-Ansett workers do also) Petzl -- Vote One Nation first, The Opposition Member second Your sitting member last 2nd last the anti-environment party the "Greens" Back to top budgie Guest Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:16:07 +0800, "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote: Quote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? AFAIK yes - even GST as long as the price states "plus GST". But there are bound to be numerous other taxes in the bundle. How often do you see international fares even mentioning departure taxes? They are always additional. Quote: (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) The WA Govt was criticised recently by the (WA Govt) Auditor General for imposing "charges" that were in exess of cost recovery. It appeared from his crit that (at least) govco charges were required to be cots recovery and no more. The high-taxing WA Treasurer's rsponse was to declare the offending items were now taxes rather than charges. Fees could be another kettle of fish entirely. Back to top yajnyaj@2eyesnet.net.au Guest Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax It is illegal to quote any price without gst being included. You can show the gst content so that any who are entitled to obtain that article or service without gst may work out their saving. The charges, fees and taxes referred to as 'extras' are indeed 'extras' to every operator. So the ticket price, incl gst, may be varied by the airline to compete, but the said (airport) fees, (departure) taxes, (navigation) charges should be consistent between airlines, and cannot be discounted. Showing such things seperately makes a great deal of sense as it lets the public know how much it costs to fly and how much the airport-owner, local/state government, AirServices etc add to that cost. When you pull up at the motor petrol pump do you realise that the government takes more by way of 'duty' and 'tax' per litre than the refiner and the retailer get? Same thing, but that is not allowed to be advertised! CmiJ On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:47:39 +0800, budgie <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:16:07 +0800, "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? AFAIK yes - even GST as long as the price states "plus GST". But there are bound to be numerous other taxes in the bundle. How often do you see international fares even mentioning departure taxes? They are always additional. (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) The WA Govt was criticised recently by the (WA Govt) Auditor General for imposing "charges" that were in exess of cost recovery. It appeared from his crit that (at least) govco charges were required to be cots recovery and no more. The high-taxing WA Treasurer's rsponse was to declare the offending items were now taxes rather than charges. Fees could be another kettle of fish entirely. Back to top Trevor Fenn Guest Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax [email]geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au[/email] (Neil Gerace) wrote in <41cfc8d7$0$5680$5a62ac22 (AT) per-qv1-newsreader-01 (DOT) iinet.net.au>: Quote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) Someone in Adelaide did that a few years ago with petrol prices. The guvmint didn't likje it but I don't think there was a lot they could do about it. TF Back to top johnboy Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax Jetstars recent 300,000 seat deal for $19 add always included clearly plus "min $30 tax" depending on destination. "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote Quote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) Back to top Dave Proctor Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:16:07 +0800, "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote: Quote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) Perfectly legal, as long as they give you an indication of the total amount you will pay. They can't say "$48 one way*" (with the * referring to a very small "plus $44 in taxes" at the bottom of the page). Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service - become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/ Back to top Dave Proctor Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:46:33 +1100, Petzl <fudged (AT) nowhere (DOT) and.beyond> wrote: Piss off PretzDill. Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service - become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/ Back to top Scott Hillard Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote Quote: "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) Legal, schmegal. No doubt comrade Samuels and his mates at the Politbureau will find some problem with it, but so what? It's not like the airline is responsible for the existence of "charges and taxes" - you can see you friendly local MP if you have a problem with the bulk of those. Back to top Dave Proctor Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:39:17 +1100, "Scott Hillard" <shillard (AT) _nospam_ozemail (DOT) com.au> wrote: Quote: "Neil Gerace" <geracen (AT) iinet (DOT) net.au> wrote in message news:41cfc8d7$0$5680$5a62ac22 (AT) per-qv1-newsreader-01 (DOT) iinet.net.au... "Kalgoorlie $48 one way! Plus charges, fees, and taxes of $44." A Skywest ad, I think. Is it legal to advertise a price before tax? (Plus, what's the difference between a fee and a charge?) Legal, schmegal. No doubt comrade Samuels and his mates at the Politbureau will find some problem with it, but so what? Actually, they don't have a problem with it. What is the difference between advertising "fare of $48, plus around $44 in taxes and charges" and advertising "around $92 in total, taxes and charges inclusive."? You and I both know the average consumer is too stupid to pick up on the differences, despite the fact that they are identical. Qantas is just doing what it can do to make its product competitive from an advertising POV. Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service - become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/ Back to top Rob Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax Dave Proctor wrote: Quote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:46:33 +1100, Petzl wrote: Piss off PretzDill. Dave Gee Dave don't spoil all the fun Back to top Dave Proctor Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:46:26 +1100, Rob <mesa (AT) mine (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:46:33 +1100, Petzl wrote: Piss off PretzDill. Gee Dave don't spoil all the fun PretzDill is na idiot, as we all know. Dave ===== NSW Rural Fire Service - become a volunteer today. http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/ Back to top budgie Guest Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Advertising prices ex-tax On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:09:03 GMT, [email]yajnyaj (AT) 2eyesnet (DOT) net.au[/email] wrote: Quote: It is illegal to quote any price without gst being included. That's not entirely correct. In non-retail areas ex-GST prices can be quoted as long as they state "ex GST" or "plus GST". 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