AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 13, 14, 15  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message A.Coleman Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:25 pm    Post subject: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/23/national/a121517D16.DTL&sn=018&sc=478 AA Revokes License of D.C. 'Alert' Pilot - Monday, May 23, 2005 (05-23) 12:15 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government has revoked the license of the pilot in charge of the small plane that strayed to within three miles of the White House on May 11, forcing the panicked evacuation of thousands of people from the executive mansion, Capitol and Supreme Court. Though hundreds of people have mistakenly flown into Washington's restricted airspace, this was believed to be the first such revocation. The Federal Aviation Administration said Monday that it had issued an emergency revocation of Hayden L. Sheaffer's pilot's license because he "constitutes an unacceptable risk to safety in air commerce." The agency said no action would be taken against Sheaffer's student, who was also in the plane. "This action reflects the seriousness in which we view all restricted airspace violations and, in this case, the level of incursion into restricted airspace," said FAA spokesman Greg Martin. The plane entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of people as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it. The student, 36-year-old Troy Martin, who had logged only 30 hours of flight time, had control of the small Cessna single engine plane when a U.S. Customs Service Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation jet intercepted it. Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, Pa., and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions. ___ On the Net: Federal Aviation Administration: www.faa.gov URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/05/23/national/a121517D16.DTL ©2005 Associated Press Back to top Peter R. Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked A. Coleman wrote: Quote: The student, 36-year-old Troy Martin, who had logged only 30 hours of flight time, had control of the small Cessna single engine plane when a U.S. Customs Service Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation jet intercepted it. Really? A Citation jet intercepted the wayward C150? That's news to me. -- Peter Back to top Helen Woods Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked It was suposedly a customs jet. It was involved in the chase with the F16 and blackhawk. Back to top John T Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked Peter R. wrote: Quote: Really? A Citation jet intercepted the wayward C150? That's news to me. The Citation was involved in the intercept although the Blackhawk was the one flying formation - at least until the F-16s showed up. That was reported from the beginning. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415 ____________________ Back to top xyzzy Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked A.Coleman wrote: Quote: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/23/national/a121517D16.DTL&sn=018&sc=478 AA Revokes License of D.C. 'Alert' Pilot - Monday, May 23, 2005 (05-23) 12:15 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government has revoked the license of the pilot in charge of the small plane that strayed to within three miles of the White House on May 11, forcing the panicked evacuation of thousands of people from the executive mansion, Capitol and Supreme Court. Though hundreds of people have mistakenly flown into Washington's restricted airspace, this was believed to be the first such revocation. The Federal Aviation Administration said Monday that it had issued an emergency revocation of Hayden L. Sheaffer's pilot's license because he "constitutes an unacceptable risk to safety in air commerce." The agency said no action would be taken against Sheaffer's student, who was also in the plane. AOPA has said that Sheaffer is not an instructor, if correct Troy Martin was not "his student" he was merely a passenger (legally anyway) Back to top Paul kgyy Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked What in the #(*$%& is a customs jet going to do to protect our national government against a C150? Threaten them with loss of duty free privileges???????????????? Back to top Peter R. Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked John T wrote: Quote: The Citation was involved in the intercept although the Blackhawk was the one flying formation - at least until the F-16s showed up. That was reported from the beginning. Thanks. I guess I missed that. These newsgroups should be required reading for every pilot. :-) -- Peter Back to top Matt Barrow Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked "Paul kgyy" <phkmn2000 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: What in the #(*$%& is a customs jet going to do to protect our national government against a C150? Threaten them with loss of duty free privileges???????????????? Confiscate their booze and cigarettes. Back to top gatt Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked "Paul kgyy" <phkmn2000 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message Quote: What in the #(*$%& is a customs jet going to do to protect our national government against a C150? Fly into it. *shrug* -c Back to top gatt Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked so what do you guys think of it? Sounds like, all the hysteria and other issues aside, the pilot really screwed the pooch on many basic levels. -c HOW do you as a safe, qualified pilot fly over Washington DC and not know it's Washington DC? Are there any pilots in these forums that DON'T know it's restricted airspace? Back to top Grumman-581 Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked "John T" wrote in message news:429241ec$0$6617$9a6e19ea (AT) news (DOT) newshosting.com... Quote: The Citation was involved in the intercept although the Blackhawk was the one flying formation - at least until the F-16s showed up. That was reported from the beginning. Saying that the F16s were "flying formation" with the C150 is a bit of a stretch of the term... You might as well say that buzzards circling overhead as you're dying in the desert are "flying formation" with ya'... Back to top Dean Wilkinson Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked "gatt" <gatt (AT) freeradical (DOT) nyet> wrote Quote: so what do you guys think of it? Sounds like, all the hysteria and other issues aside, the pilot really screwed the pooch on many basic levels. -c HOW do you as a safe, qualified pilot fly over Washington DC and not know it's Washington DC? Are there any pilots in these forums that DON'T know it's restricted airspace? I think it was warranted. If an instructor shows such poor judgement as to violate a highly publicised ADIZ through lack of adequate flight planning and usage of advanced navigation equipment (hell, even VOR would do the trick), he needs to be given remedial instruction. A year off to think about it sounds fair and proper. Back to top Denny Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked Interested folks need to read Mr. Sheaffer's issued statement, reported on AVWEB and AOPA.... denny Back to top Just go look it up! Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked On Mon, 23 May 2005 14:54:34 -0700, "gatt" <gatt (AT) freeradical (DOT) nyet> wrote: Quote: so what do you guys think of it? Sounds like, all the hysteria and other issues aside, the pilot really screwed the pooch on many basic levels. Their side of the story is at http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050520/205544.html?.v=1 The FAA says "Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, Pennsylvania, and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions." They say they "checked various weather websites on his home computer for the flight area and consulted the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) website, looking for Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFR). " Course, none of it's recorded since they didn't use DUAT(S) so... Back to top John Galban Guest Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked Grumman-581 wrote: Quote: "John T" wrote in message news:429241ec$0$6617$9a6e19ea (AT) news (DOT) newshosting.com... The Citation was involved in the intercept although the Blackhawk was the one flying formation - at least until the F-16s showed up. That was reported from the beginning. Saying that the F16s were "flying formation" with the C150 is a bit of a stretch of the term... You might as well say that buzzards circling overhead as you're dying in the desert are "flying formation" with ya'... He didn't say that. He said that the Blackhawk was flying formation unil the F-16s got there. According to various reports, that's when the Blackhawk broke off. While working in a restricted area on a missile range in the 80s, I once requested that some F-15s to intercept a hot air balloon that had strayed over a hot range. Now that was a funny intercept! 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