AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? Goto page 1, 2  Next          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviators (General Discussions) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Andrew Sarangan Guest Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? Back to top Blueskies Guest Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan (AT) yahoospamgoaway (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? May 21 Back to top Bob Chilcoat Guest Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? You're presuming that these Bozos would know what they meant. "Look at the pretty lights. Must be some sort of political celebration with a light show." -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) "Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote Quote: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan (AT) yahoospamgoaway (DOT) com> wrote in message news:Xns9654CEF6ABCBCasaranganyahoocom (AT) 38 (DOT) 119.71.61... I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? May 21 Back to top Roger Guest Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? On Thu, 12 May 2005 22:51:01 -0400, "Bob Chilcoat" <viewptmd (AT) optonlineREMOVE (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: You're presuming that these Bozos would know what they meant. "Look at the pretty lights. Must be some sort of political celebration with a light show." I was gonna say, they'd have needed to have tied them to a big hammer first if things were as they appeard to have been. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Back to top RNR Guest Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? On Fri, 13 May 2005 00:30:13 GMT, "Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan (AT) yahoospamgoaway (DOT) com> wrote in message news:Xns9654CEF6ABCBCasaranganyahoocom (AT) 38 (DOT) 119.71.61... I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? May 21 Even if they were operational, how many pilots do you think really know about this program? And I don't mean among the pilots that read the aviation newsgroups. My guess is that most of the pilots that are based at my home airport have absolutely no clue that these lights are going on line or what they mean. The pilots that read a lot of aviation related material and keep themselves up to date (such as this group) will be aware, the rest will think that they're flying over an amusement park with a light show. I don't mean this in a nasty way but the education process for programs like this is difficult if one is not continually and voluntarily continuing the process on their own. Rich Russell Back to top Peter Clark Guest Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:32:26 -0400, RNR <russell1 (AT) pobox (DOT) upenn.edu> wrote: Quote: On Fri, 13 May 2005 00:30:13 GMT, "Blueskies" [email]nospamedblueskies (AT) ameritech (DOT) net[/email]> wrote: "Andrew Sarangan" <asarangan (AT) yahoospamgoaway (DOT) com> wrote in message news:Xns9654CEF6ABCBCasaranganyahoocom (AT) 38 (DOT) 119.71.61... I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? May 21 Even if they were operational, how many pilots do you think really know about this program? And I don't mean among the pilots that read the aviation newsgroups. My guess is that most of the pilots that are based at my home airport have absolutely no clue that these lights are going on line or what they mean. The pilots that read a lot of aviation related material and keep themselves up to date (such as this group) will be aware, the rest will think that they're flying over an amusement park with a light show. I don't mean this in a nasty way but the education process for programs like this is difficult if one is not continually and voluntarily continuing the process on their own. Even if you don't hang out on newsgroups, read AOPA, AvWeb, etc, anyone who reads FDC NOTAM 5/3123 would know about the signal, when it comes online, and what to do in the event you're painted. Back to top Rolf Blom Guest Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? On 2005-05-13 02:24, Andrew Sarangan wrote: Quote: I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? I'm surprised you don't have barrage ballons and searchlights along the ADIZ border, it almost seems to be a warzone in making. /Rolf Back to top Blueskies Guest Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? "Rolf Blom" <allspam (AT) round (DOT) bin> wrote Quote: On 2005-05-13 02:24, Andrew Sarangan wrote: I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? I'm surprised you don't have barrage ballons and searchlights along the ADIZ border, it almost seems to be a warzone in making. /Rolf Now that is a plan. Should be pretty cost effective also. Hmmmm, it may cast some shadows on the folks on hte ground though and possibly obstruct their view of the sky..... Back to top George Patterson Guest Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? Rolf Blom wrote: Quote: I'm surprised you don't have barrage ballons and searchlights along the ADIZ border, it almost seems to be a warzone in making. A miniature Kammhuber line? That would certainly give an errant pilot some indication that they were off course. Of course, I suppose the proposed lasers could be considered modern-day "searchlights." George Patterson "Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got no clothes on - and are up to somethin'. Back to top William W. Plummer Guest Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? Andrew Sarangan wrote: Quote: I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? This is the Visual Warning System (VWS). It was discussed in the NASA Safety Newsletter. My own take on it is that if a pilot is not communicating and doesn't know where he is, he isn't likely to see the VWS or know what it means. The CFI should have to redo all his courses and flying, i.e. requalify. Back to top Ron Natalie Guest Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? William W. Plummer wrote: Quote: Andrew Sarangan wrote: I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? This is the Visual Warning System (VWS). It was discussed in the NASA Safety Newsletter. My own take on it is that if a pilot is not communicating and doesn't know where he is, he isn't likely to see the VWS or know what it means. The CFI should have to redo all his courses and flying, i.e. requalify. There was no CFI involved. The FAA is peruing revokation of the PRIVATE PILOT's certificate. Back to top Dave Stadt Guest Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? "William W. Plummer" <William.Plummer (AT) alum (DOT) mit.edu> wrote Quote: Andrew Sarangan wrote: I thought they had green lasers to warn airplanes straying into the DC ADIZ. Are they not operational? This is the Visual Warning System (VWS). It was discussed in the NASA Safety Newsletter. My own take on it is that if a pilot is not communicating and doesn't know where he is, he isn't likely to see the VWS or know what it means. The CFI should have to redo all his courses and flying, i.e. requalify. There was no CFI. Anybody know what color the lasers are? I heard red and green which seems terribly confusing. Red means stop, green means go. Not a good combination in my book. Back to top Morgans Guest Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? "Dave Stadt" <dhstadt (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote Quote: Anybody know what color the lasers are? I heard red and green which seems terribly confusing. Red means stop, green means go. Not a good combination in my book. Sure it does! Red means stop coming this way, and green means start going the other way! I think the alternating is meant to rule out the chance that it is an idiot playing games, and I think red and green are chosen because that is the two colors of popular lasers out there, of appropriate power output. Just my opinion. -- Jim in NC Back to top Charles O'Rourke Guest Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? Dave Stadt wrote: Quote: Anybody know what color the lasers are? I heard red and green which seems terribly confusing. Red means stop, green means go. Not a good combination in my book. When a tower uses light signals, don't they use alternating red and green to represent "exercise extreme caution"? Seems like that should put an automatic "oops something is wrong" in the pilot's mind if the plane is near the ADIZ. Charles. -N8385U Back to top Ron Natalie Guest Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: ADIZ incursion - where were the lasers? Dave Stadt wrote: .. Quote: Anybody know what color the lasers are? I heard red and green which seems terribly confusing. Red means stop, green means go. Not a good combination in my book. Two red flashes followed by a green. There's a video on it on AOPA's website. 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