AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  A Question about Gun Cameras          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Military Aircraft View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message ReeferGuy Guest Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:33 am    Post subject: A Question about Gun Cameras                                                2333on1/2    How do gun cameras work? Are there films of EVERY kill?                                    ReeferGuy                                  USMC-FDNY                                • Back to top Keith Willshaw Guest Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras "ReeferGuy" <ReeferGuy (AT) webtv (DOT) net> wrote Quote: 2333on1/2 Quote: How do gun cameras work? On WW2 aircraft it was a cheap and cheerful 16mm camera that operated when the gun button was pressed http://www.classiccamera.org/spitfire%20gun%20camera.htm Quote: Are there films of EVERY kill? Sometimes cameras failed or the film got wet or simply not loaded in the scramble to re-arm and refuel so the answer must be no. Keith .. Back to top Brendan Grace Guest Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras When you press the trigger the first detent activates the camera, the second fires weapons. When the trigger is released usually it continues for another short predetermined period of time. Nowadays with video tape recorders there is a continuous video of the flight. Much better system. Brendan "ReeferGuy" <ReeferGuy (AT) webtv (DOT) net> wrote 2333on1/2 How do gun cameras work? Are there films of EVERY kill? ReeferGuy USMC-FDNY .. Back to top Mark Guest Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras Even with video the duration of the flight sometimes exceeds the length of the available tape, so still need to do some on/off drill. Sometimes it's forgotten. Soon, if not already, will no doubt move to tapeless video (with some sort of flash memory). Anyone know?? Mark "Brendan Grace" <bcer26 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: When you press the trigger the first detent activates the camera, the second fires weapons. When the trigger is released usually it continues for another short predetermined period of time. Nowadays with video tape recorders there is a continuous video of the flight. Much better system. Brendan "ReeferGuy" <ReeferGuy (AT) webtv (DOT) net> wrote in message news:544-400F6EB9-81 (AT) storefull-3275 (DOT) bay.webtv.net... 2333on1/2 How do gun cameras work? Are there films of EVERY kill? ReeferGuy USMC-FDNY . Back to top ArtKramr Guest Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras Quote: Subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras From: "Keith Willshaw" [email]keithNoSpam (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email] Date: 1/22/04 1:34 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <buo6en$jmc$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com "ReeferGuy" news:544-400F6EB9-81 (AT) storefull-3275 (DOT) bay.webtv.net... 2333on1/2 How do gun cameras work? On WW2 aircraft it was a cheap and cheerful 16mm camera that operated when the gun button was pressed http://www.classiccamera.org/spitfire%20gun%20camera.htm Are there films of EVERY kill? Sometimes cameras failed or the film got wet or simply not loaded in the scramble to re-arm and refuel so the answer must be no. Keith These cameras were known as GSAP's that stood for Gun Sight Aiming Point cameras.The 16mm film was magazine fed And while they might not have been 100% perfect (what is?) I very rarely heard a complaint from anyone that their cameras were not working. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer Back to top Dave Eadsforth Guest Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras In article <buo6en$jmc$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com>, Keith Willshaw <keithNoSp [email]am (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]> writes Quote: "ReeferGuy" <ReeferGuy (AT) webtv (DOT) net> wrote in message news:544-400F6EB9-81 (AT) storefull-3275 (DOT) bay.webtv.net... 2333on1/2 How do gun cameras work? On WW2 aircraft it was a cheap and cheerful 16mm camera that operated when the gun button was pressed Fairly cheap and cheerful - the lens housing incorporated a heating element to prevent condensation, and the mechanism was a bit more reliable. There were seven electrical contacts to the G45, and the mechanism worked by one impulse advancing a film frame and cocking the shutter and another to trip the shutter, thus making for a good exposure on each frozen frame. The film stock used was single perforation - now that was a cheap option... Quote: http://www.classiccamera.org/spitfire%20gun%20camera.htm (Thanks for pointing out that site, Keith - nice one!) Quote: Are there films of EVERY kill? Sometimes cameras failed or the film got wet The magazines were very tightly made - was it condensation that caused this? Quote: or simply not loaded in the scramble to re-arm and refuel so the answer must be no. And did Chiefie let that happen more than once ;-) Quote: Keith Cheers, Dave -- Dave Eadsforth Back to top Keith Willshaw Guest Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras "Dave Eadsforth" <dave (AT) magnum (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote Quote: In article <buo6en$jmc$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com>, Keith Willshaw <keithNoSp [email]am (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]> writes Sometimes cameras failed or the film got wet The magazines were very tightly made - was it condensation that caused this? Who knows but I have seen at least one letter in which a pilot was bitching about it :) Quote: or simply not loaded in the scramble to re-arm and refuel so the answer must be no. And did Chiefie let that happen more than once ;-) I suspect in Kent in 1940 the answer might be yes Keith Back to top Dave Eadsforth Guest Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: A Question about Gun Cameras In article <buqq5b$vvq$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com>, Keith Willshaw <keithNoSp [email]am (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]> writes Quote: "Dave Eadsforth" <dave (AT) magnum (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:q3rpwVA2SNEAFwNY (AT) magnum (DOT) demon.co.uk... In article <buo6en$jmc$1 (AT) selma (DOT) aspentech.com>, Keith Willshaw <keithNoSp [email]am (AT) kwillshaw (DOT) demon.co.uk[/email]> writes Sometimes cameras failed or the film got wet The magazines were very tightly made - was it condensation that caused this? Who knows but I have seen at least one letter in which a pilot was bitching about it :) or simply not loaded in the scramble to re-arm and refuel so the answer must be no. And did Chiefie let that happen more than once ;-) I suspect in Kent in 1940 the answer might be yes Keith True...true Cheers, Dave -- Dave Eadsforth Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Military Aircraft All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Aviation----------------alt.aviationAviation safety EnhancementPlanes, gliders and flying in AustraliaAviation et pilotage (Français)rec.aviationAviation (Aerobatics)Hot air, gas balloons and airshipsHang-gliding, paragliding, foot-launched flightAircraft Design & BuildingInstrument Flight RulesAviation (Classifieds)Military AircraftNaval AviationAviation (Miscellaneous Topics)Owning AirplanesAviators (General Discussions)Aviation related productsAircraft RestorationHelicopters and rotary wing aircraftsFlight SimulationSailplanesAviation (Students)Light aircraftFlying related activities in the UK Airports----------------alt.airportsEdinburgh Airport Glasgow Airport Humberside Airport Luton Airport Aberdeen Airport Glasgow Prestwick Airport  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.