AirTalk.org Aviation discussions newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  A little soaring story          AirTalk.org Forum Index -> Aviation (Students) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mackfly Guest Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: A little soaring story I'm no writer but one might find the read worth a little time. Flying is flying. Some of us do it with and without an engine. Mac http://www.omahasoaring.net/pictures/colorado02/colorado2002stories.htm Back to top BTIZ Guest Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story Great Reading Mac... I remember that story the first time.. but always good to read again.. are you coming out for Goal Strike XVI this year? First week in June... can't guarantee 17,500, but most go out about 150nm or more cross country BT "Mackfly" <mackfly (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I'm no writer but one might find the read worth a little time. Flying is flying. Some of us do it with and without an engine. Mac http://www.omahasoaring.net/pictures/colorado02/colorado2002stories.htm Back to top m pautz Guest Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story Mackfly wrote: Quote: I'm no writer but one might find the read worth a little time. Flying is flying. Some of us do it with and without an engine. Glider pilots never have to worry about engine failure. Mac Quote: http://www.omahasoaring.net/pictures/colorado02/colorado2002stories.htm Back to top BTIZ Guest Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story sure we do.. when we are under 200ft in the air.. on tow.. and that tug in front belches black smoke. "m pautz" <mpautz (AT) interserv (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Mackfly wrote: I'm no writer but one might find the read worth a little time. Flying is flying. Some of us do it with and without an engine. Glider pilots never have to worry about engine failure. Mac http://www.omahasoaring.net/pictures/colorado02/colorado2002stories.htm Back to top Mackfly Guest Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story From>"BTIZ" Quote: are you coming out for Goal Strike XVI this year? First week in June... I'm trying to work out a trip to visit with Bob in CA this spring--if the rain and mud slides--not to mention snow storms ever end out there.---Mac Back to top Brian Guest Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story I once towed up to 2000' released and headed off on a 2 hour flight. About 2 hours later I was the last one to land. One of the other glider pilot came out to meet me and said "Well, everyone made it back except the towplane" It turns out after I released the tow pilot pulled the throttle back and spiraled down to about 1000' ft AGL at which point he applied power to head for the airport. Just happened that while descending the nut on the throttle linkage that had not been safty wired worked loose and the throttle disconnected. All the Tow pilot could get was Idle power. He headed for a golf course and decided he would not make so he turned and safely landed in an open area in the local railroad yard. They just reconnected and saftied the throttle linkage and flew it back to the airport. Brian CFIIG/ASEL Back to top Roy Smith Guest Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story Brian <bfcase (AT) netzero (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Just happened that while descending the nut on the throttle linkage that had not been safty wired worked loose and the throttle disconnected. All the Tow pilot could get was Idle power. I thought throttles were spring-loaded to go full-open in this kind of failure. Back to top Mark Hansen Guest Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story On 1/21/2005 08:03, Roy Smith wrote: Quote: Brian <bfcase (AT) netzero (DOT) net> wrote: Just happened that while descending the nut on the throttle linkage that had not been safty wired worked loose and the throttle disconnected. All the Tow pilot could get was Idle power. I thought throttles were spring-loaded to go full-open in this kind of failure. Oh my, I sure hope not. I would never want an engine to go full-throttle in a failure case - just imagine all the wrong places that might happen. -- Mark Hansen PP-ASEL, C-172M/G Back to top Roy Smith Guest Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story In article <10v2cg5pfl5flc5 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com>, Mark Hansen <meh (AT) NOSPAMunify (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On 1/21/2005 08:03, Roy Smith wrote: Brian <bfcase (AT) netzero (DOT) net> wrote: Just happened that while descending the nut on the throttle linkage that had not been safty wired worked loose and the throttle disconnected. All the Tow pilot could get was Idle power. I thought throttles were spring-loaded to go full-open in this kind of failure. Oh my, I sure hope not. I would never want an engine to go full-throttle in a failure case - just imagine all the wrong places that might happen. OK, I almost remembered it right. It's 14 CFR 23.1143(g): "For reciprocating single-engine airplanes, each power or thrust control must be designed so that if the control separates at the engine fuel metering device, the airplane is capable of continued safe flight and landing" I suppose spring-loaded to full throttle is just one way to meet that requirement, but it also seems like the most obvious. I would also say that in the case Brian described, the system did NOT work as required. Back to top Barry Guest Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: A little soaring story Quote: OK, I almost remembered it right. It's 14 CFR 23.1143(g): "For reciprocating single-engine airplanes, each power or thrust control must be designed so that if the control separates at the engine fuel metering device, the airplane is capable of continued safe flight and landing" Most of the planes we fly were certificated under CAR 3, not Part 23. I looked in CAR 3: http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/av-info/dst/CARS/CAR-PART3.PDF and couldn't find anything like this. Does anyone know if there's a similar requirement in there? 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