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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote



On May 11, 9:57 am, shrubkiller <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote:
Quote:

The washdown system on the Nimitz class is even designed to wash
fallout off aircraft that are parked on the deck.

Right into the ocean!

Sweet!

So right! How could they dare to dump that waste into the ocean...
where 99% of the fallout from the blast landed already...

BB

I guess everybody has some mountain to climb,
it's just fate whether you live in Tibet or Kansas...

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote



On 4 May 2007 12:49:56 -0700, "David E. Powell"
<David_Powell3006 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
On May 3, 7:54 pm, shrubkiller <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 11:35 am, AirRaid <airraidfigh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The USS Nimitz and her Battle Group / Strike Group left California
around the beginning of April. generally it takes about a month or to
reach the Persian Gulf. So if the Nimitz group is not already there
yet, it should be shortly. within maybe, 1 more week or so, yeah?

Then the United States has 3 supercarriers (assuming the Eisenhower
group doesn't leave) within striking distance of Iran, not to mention
at least two smaller "carriers" the Marine assault ships; USS Boxer,
USS Bataan and their escorts.

If the Pentagon needs even more naval power, I've heard they could
easily deploy 2 or 3 additional carrier groups to the region. enough
for... ahem.... Gulf War III: Operation Devastate Iran.

Yep....and once they're all there, one big nuke will take out the
entire navy.

LOL!!!

No, an Iranian Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Bikini - level Nuke might take out
some of the ships, before the remaining ones (Including nuclear
missile subs) destroyed their entire country in retaliation.

Damn Stupidest thing I ever heard. ANY country would be a parking lot
if even one carrier was attacked, especially with a Nuke. Even USSR
during the cold war knew this and they had 11,000 times the capability
of any middle east country. They quit. China doesn't even dare.

How could you be so ignorant to even suggest anyone would threaten a
carrier? You obviously watch too much CNN or don't understand our
Navy's capabilities or doctrine.

Not to mention the other forces that would quickly retaliate.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote

<fudog50> wrote in message
news:i4pf4313jevsuljpvged3mjftvc2fpn4ke (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
Quote:
On 4 May 2007 12:49:56 -0700, "David E. Powell"
David_Powell3006 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

On May 3, 7:54 pm, shrubkiller <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 11:35 am, AirRaid <airraidfigh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The USS Nimitz and her Battle Group / Strike Group left California
around the beginning of April. generally it takes about a month or to
reach the Persian Gulf. So if the Nimitz group is not already there
yet, it should be shortly. within maybe, 1 more week or so, yeah?

Then the United States has 3 supercarriers (assuming the Eisenhower
group doesn't leave) within striking distance of Iran, not to mention
at least two smaller "carriers" the Marine assault ships; USS Boxer,
USS Bataan and their escorts.

If the Pentagon needs even more naval power, I've heard they could
easily deploy 2 or 3 additional carrier groups to the region. enough
for... ahem.... Gulf War III: Operation Devastate Iran.

Yep....and once they're all there, one big nuke will take out the
entire navy.

LOL!!!

No, an Iranian Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Bikini - level Nuke might take out
some of the ships, before the remaining ones (Including nuclear
missile subs) destroyed their entire country in retaliation.

Damn Stupidest thing I ever heard. ANY country would be a parking lot
if even one carrier was attacked, especially with a Nuke. Even USSR
during the cold war knew this and they had 11,000 times the capability
of any middle east country. They quit. China doesn't even dare.

Why would the US launch an all-out attack with all strategic nuclear forces
just because one of its carriers got taken out with a nuclear weapon? That
would be stupid and counterproductive. At most you'd see a limited
counterforce attack that bloodies the nose of the country that launched the
first weapon.

You guys don't know what you're talking about. Although in real life things
may have not worked out nicely, at least in theory people on both sides
thought about graduated response for most of the Cold War. That's why they
had tactical nuclear weapons, so that (in theory) a war could be fought
between military units without going all out with SLBMs and ICBMs.

Quote:
How could you be so ignorant to even suggest anyone would threaten a
carrier? You obviously watch too much CNN or don't understand our
Navy's capabilities or doctrine.

The Soviets always did threaten our carriers. So did the Japanese in WW2. If
WW3 had happened the Soviet Navy and Soviet Naval Aviation would have been
swarming on the CVBGs like bees on honey, and if tactical nuclear weapons
had been necessary I'm pretty sure the Russians would have used them.

Quote:
Not to mention the other forces that would quickly retaliate.

Only sensible response you made.

To put your thinking into context, imagine this - North Korea in the year
2021 launches a nuclear-tipped cruise missile that obliterates a US carrier
off Japan. Well, not totally obliterates...but the hulk has to be scuttled.
At the time North Korea and the US are in a state of declared war, and
planes off that carrier are bombing targets in North Korea. The US in
response delivers approximately 50 MT worth of nuclear ordnance that reduces
every NK city over 50,000 in size to desert, wipes out most of the NK
military, and irradiates a third of the country and much of Japan.

Well, that's just a brilliant solution. But that's what you're advocating.

Here's a clue. Aircraft carriers are fair game for weapons - they don't have
diplomatic immunity. And nuclear weapons are just weapons. You sound like a
medieval knight who was shocked - shocked!!! - that rabble shot at him with
crossbows.

AHS
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote

On May 14, 10:47 am, "Arved Sandstrom" <asandst...@accesswave.ca>
wrote:
Quote:
fudog50> wrote in message

news:i4pf4313jevsuljpvged3mjftvc2fpn4ke (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...





On 4 May 2007 12:49:56 -0700, "DavidE.Powell"
David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:

On May 3, 7:54 pm, shrubkiller <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 11:35 am, AirRaid <airraidfigh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The USS Nimitz and her Battle Group / Strike Group left California
around the beginning of April. generally it takes about a month or to
reach the Persian Gulf. So if the Nimitz group is not already there
yet, it should be shortly. within maybe, 1 more week or so, yeah?

Then the United States has 3 supercarriers (assuming the Eisenhower
group doesn't leave) within striking distance of Iran, not to mention
at least two smaller "carriers" the Marine assault ships; USS Boxer,
USS Bataan and their escorts.

If the Pentagon needs even more naval power, I've heard they could
easily deploy 2 or 3 additional carrier groups to the region. enough
for... ahem.... Gulf War III: Operation Devastate Iran.

Yep....and once they're all there, one big nuke will take out the
entire navy.

LOL!!!

No, an Iranian Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Bikini - level Nuke might take out
some of the ships, before the remaining ones (Including nuclear
missile subs) destroyed their entire country in retaliation.

Damn Stupidest thing I ever heard. ANY country would be a parking lot
if even one carrier was attacked, especially with a Nuke. Even USSR
during the cold war knew this and they had 11,000 times the capability
of any middle east country. They quit. China doesn't even dare.

Why would the US launch an all-out attack with all strategic nuclear forces
just because one of its carriers got taken out with a nuclear weapon? That
would be stupid and counterproductive. At most you'd see a limited
counterforce attack that bloodies the nose of the country that launched the
first weapon.

You guys don't know what you're talking about. Although in real life things
may have not worked out nicely, at least in theory people on both sides
thought about graduated response for most of the Cold War. That's why they
had tactical nuclear weapons, so that (in theory) a war could be fought
between military units without going all out with SLBMs and ICBMs.

How could you be so ignorant to even suggest anyone would threaten a
carrier? You obviously watch too much CNN or don't understand our
Navy's capabilities or doctrine.

The Soviets always did threaten our carriers. So did the Japanese in WW2. If
WW3 had happened the Soviet Navy and Soviet Naval Aviation would have been
swarming on the CVBGs like bees on honey, and if tactical nuclear weapons
had been necessary I'm pretty sure the Russians would have used them.

Not to mention the other forces that would quickly retaliate.

Only sensible response you made.

To put your thinking into context, imagine this - North Korea in the year
2021 launches a nuclear-tipped cruise missile that obliterates a US carrier
off Japan. Well, not totally obliterates...but the hulk has to be scuttled.
At the time North Korea and the US are in a state of declared war, and
planes off that carrier are bombing targets in North Korea. The US in
response delivers approximately 50 MT worth of nuclear ordnance that reduces
every NK city over 50,000 in size to desert, wipes out most of the NK
military, and irradiates a third of the country and much of Japan.

Well, that's just a brilliant solution. But that's what you're advocating.

Here's a clue. Aircraft carriers are fair game for weapons - they don't have
diplomatic immunity. And nuclear weapons are just weapons. You sound like a
medieval knight who was shocked - shocked!!! - that rabble shot at him with
crossbows.

Nuclear weapons are political as well as military. Also, ti would not
be just a question of replying to Iran here, it would be a precedent,
because if the US did not reply in kind to one nuclear attack, what
would it tell anyone else?

I am pretty sure that the response doctrine has been pretty solid for
at least the past 50 years. As for whether that is stupid, it is
intended to make the idea of anyone using a nuclear wepon on the US a
stupid idea.

> AHS-
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote

"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:1179179586.823173.9280 (AT) h2g2000hsg (DOT) googlegroups.com...
Quote:
On May 14, 10:47 am, "Arved Sandstrom" <asandst...@accesswave.ca
wrote:
fudog50> wrote in message
[ SNIP ]
Here's a clue. Aircraft carriers are fair game for weapons - they don't
have
diplomatic immunity. And nuclear weapons are just weapons. You sound like
a
medieval knight who was shocked - shocked!!! - that rabble shot at him
with
crossbows.

Nuclear weapons are political as well as military. Also, ti would not
be just a question of replying to Iran here, it would be a precedent,
because if the US did not reply in kind to one nuclear attack, what
would it tell anyone else?

I am pretty sure that the response doctrine has been pretty solid for
at least the past 50 years. As for whether that is stupid, it is
intended to make the idea of anyone using a nuclear wepon on the US a
stupid idea.

Response with nuclear weapons to the use of nuclear weapons, yes, that's
always on the table. But what hasn't usually been on the table is to
obliterate every city, town and village, every grassy field (read "ersatz
airfield"), every factory, every military base, etc etc, just because one or
two nuclear weapons took out some major combat units of yours.

Let's be clear. If some Second-World country with nuclear capability wiped
out a carrier or Tico or LCS or LHD with a single atomic bomb, and a couple
of USN ships and 2000-5000 sailors and Marines got killed, do you seriously
think that POTUS would consult the SIOP and select "let's launch every
f**king thing we have?"

Which is what those jokers were suggesting.

It's entirely possible that the US would not respond with any nuclear
weapons of its own in that situation, or if it did, they would be restricted
to limited counterforce ... "tit for tat", with a somewhat heavier "tit".
Wink It might be counterproductive for the US to use any nuclear weapons in
response, because by this day and age nobody out there thinks the US
wouldn't use the damned things if it really wanted to...it would be more
effective to capitalize on the strike by the enemy to put in a truly massive
conventional assault.

The latter would actually be much more damaging to the enemy...imagine half
a dozen US CSGs off your coast, a bunch of ESGs, Army units teady to move in
after the Marines. One to two months of incessant bombing and missile
strikes, and then the world's most powerful military lands on your coast and
starts dissecting you. You have to remember, once the lines are drawn by
using a nuclear weapon, this is not Iraq - this is Germany 1945.

The US wouldn't have to use a nuclear weapon at all. They'd be much more
frightening by doing a colossal conventional invasion, and leaving people to
guess how bad it would be if the US decided to fire off a couple of hundred
SLBMs or ICBMs.

AHS
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote

On Mon, 14 May 2007 14:47:16 GMT, "Arved Sandstrom"
<asandstrom (AT) accesswave (DOT) ca> wrote:

Quote:
fudog50> wrote in message
news:i4pf4313jevsuljpvged3mjftvc2fpn4ke (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On 4 May 2007 12:49:56 -0700, "David E. Powell"
David_Powell3006 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

On May 3, 7:54 pm, shrubkiller <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 11:35 am, AirRaid <airraidfigh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The USS Nimitz and her Battle Group / Strike Group left California
around the beginning of April. generally it takes about a month or to
reach the Persian Gulf. So if the Nimitz group is not already there
yet, it should be shortly. within maybe, 1 more week or so, yeah?

Then the United States has 3 supercarriers (assuming the Eisenhower
group doesn't leave) within striking distance of Iran, not to mention
at least two smaller "carriers" the Marine assault ships; USS Boxer,
USS Bataan and their escorts.

If the Pentagon needs even more naval power, I've heard they could
easily deploy 2 or 3 additional carrier groups to the region. enough
for... ahem.... Gulf War III: Operation Devastate Iran.

Yep....and once they're all there, one big nuke will take out the
entire navy.

LOL!!!

No, an Iranian Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Bikini - level Nuke might take out
some of the ships, before the remaining ones (Including nuclear
missile subs) destroyed their entire country in retaliation.

Damn Stupidest thing I ever heard. ANY country would be a parking lot
if even one carrier was attacked, especially with a Nuke. Even USSR
during the cold war knew this and they had 11,000 times the capability
of any middle east country. They quit. China doesn't even dare.

Why would the US launch an all-out attack with all strategic nuclear forces
just because one of its carriers got taken out with a nuclear weapon? That
would be stupid and counterproductive. At most you'd see a limited
counterforce attack that bloodies the nose of the country that launched the
first weapon.

You guys don't know what you're talking about. Although in real life things
may have not worked out nicely, at least in theory people on both sides
thought about graduated response for most of the Cold War. That's why they
had tactical nuclear weapons, so that (in theory) a war could be fought
between military units without going all out with SLBMs and ICBMs.

How could you be so ignorant to even suggest anyone would threaten a
carrier? You obviously watch too much CNN or don't understand our
Navy's capabilities or doctrine.

The Soviets always did threaten our carriers. So did the Japanese in WW2. If
WW3 had happened the Soviet Navy and Soviet Naval Aviation would have been
swarming on the CVBGs like bees on honey, and if tactical nuclear weapons
had been necessary I'm pretty sure the Russians would have used them.

Not to mention the other forces that would quickly retaliate.

Only sensible response you made.

To put your thinking into context, imagine this - North Korea in the year
2021 launches a nuclear-tipped cruise missile that obliterates a US carrier
off Japan. Well, not totally obliterates...but the hulk has to be scuttled.
At the time North Korea and the US are in a state of declared war, and
planes off that carrier are bombing targets in North Korea. The US in
response delivers approximately 50 MT worth of nuclear ordnance that reduces
every NK city over 50,000 in size to desert, wipes out most of the NK
military, and irradiates a third of the country and much of Japan.

Well, that's just a brilliant solution. But that's what you're advocating.

Here's a clue. Aircraft carriers are fair game for weapons - they don't have
diplomatic immunity. And nuclear weapons are just weapons. You sound like a
medieval knight who was shocked - shocked!!! - that rabble shot at him with
crossbows.

AHS

Nice response Arv
,
I obviously have no clue what I am talking about, having served on 5
nuke carriers and am currently serving on one, absolutely no clue.

Thanks for ripping on me and attempting to set me straight.

Now go back to sleep.

Noted.
>
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote

<fudog50> wrote in message
news:7e4i43lap0pgljila6fhgsaf4nfsv578dm (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
Quote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 14:47:16 GMT, "Arved Sandstrom"
asandstrom (AT) accesswave (DOT) ca> wrote:

fudog50> wrote in message
news:i4pf4313jevsuljpvged3mjftvc2fpn4ke (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On 4 May 2007 12:49:56 -0700, "David E. Powell"
David_Powell3006 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

On May 3, 7:54 pm, shrubkiller <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 11:35 am, AirRaid <airraidfigh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The USS Nimitz and her Battle Group / Strike Group left California
around the beginning of April. generally it takes about a month or
to
reach the Persian Gulf. So if the Nimitz group is not already
there
yet, it should be shortly. within maybe, 1 more week or so, yeah?

Then the United States has 3 supercarriers (assuming the Eisenhower
group doesn't leave) within striking distance of Iran, not to
mention
at least two smaller "carriers" the Marine assault ships; USS Boxer,
USS Bataan and their escorts.

If the Pentagon needs even more naval power, I've heard they could
easily deploy 2 or 3 additional carrier groups to the region.
enough
for... ahem.... Gulf War III: Operation Devastate Iran.

Yep....and once they're all there, one big nuke will take out the
entire navy.

LOL!!!

No, an Iranian Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Bikini - level Nuke might take out
some of the ships, before the remaining ones (Including nuclear
missile subs) destroyed their entire country in retaliation.

Damn Stupidest thing I ever heard. ANY country would be a parking lot
if even one carrier was attacked, especially with a Nuke. Even USSR
during the cold war knew this and they had 11,000 times the capability
of any middle east country. They quit. China doesn't even dare.

Why would the US launch an all-out attack with all strategic nuclear
forces
just because one of its carriers got taken out with a nuclear weapon? That
would be stupid and counterproductive. At most you'd see a limited
counterforce attack that bloodies the nose of the country that launched
the
first weapon.

You guys don't know what you're talking about. Although in real life
things
may have not worked out nicely, at least in theory people on both sides
thought about graduated response for most of the Cold War. That's why they
had tactical nuclear weapons, so that (in theory) a war could be fought
between military units without going all out with SLBMs and ICBMs.

How could you be so ignorant to even suggest anyone would threaten a
carrier? You obviously watch too much CNN or don't understand our
Navy's capabilities or doctrine.

The Soviets always did threaten our carriers. So did the Japanese in WW2.
If
WW3 had happened the Soviet Navy and Soviet Naval Aviation would have been
swarming on the CVBGs like bees on honey, and if tactical nuclear weapons
had been necessary I'm pretty sure the Russians would have used them.

Not to mention the other forces that would quickly retaliate.

Only sensible response you made.

To put your thinking into context, imagine this - North Korea in the year
2021 launches a nuclear-tipped cruise missile that obliterates a US
carrier
off Japan. Well, not totally obliterates...but the hulk has to be
scuttled.
At the time North Korea and the US are in a state of declared war, and
planes off that carrier are bombing targets in North Korea. The US in
response delivers approximately 50 MT worth of nuclear ordnance that
reduces
every NK city over 50,000 in size to desert, wipes out most of the NK
military, and irradiates a third of the country and much of Japan.

Well, that's just a brilliant solution. But that's what you're advocating.

Here's a clue. Aircraft carriers are fair game for weapons - they don't
have
diplomatic immunity. And nuclear weapons are just weapons. You sound like
a
medieval knight who was shocked - shocked!!! - that rabble shot at him
with
crossbows.

AHS

Nice response Arv
,
I obviously have no clue what I am talking about, having served on 5
nuke carriers and am currently serving on one, absolutely no clue.

Thanks for ripping on me and attempting to set me straight.

Now go back to sleep.

Noted.

The fact that a US carrier is nuclear *powered* is irrelevant to this
discussion - I think even you would agree on that point. I'm also
hard-pressed to see why serving *on* carriers, in any capacity whatsoever,
gives you extra information about what the US response would be if a carrier
was taken out by a nuclear weapon...it's like the city manager of a US
metropolis saying that he'd know what the US response would be after a city
is destroyed by a nuclear weapon, just because of the fact that he's a city
manager.

I'm not busting on your carrier experience and knowledge at all. I just
don't see that it's any more relevant here than me having served in
artillery. Unless carrier personnel get a routine briefing entitled "Here's
the part of the SIOP that we'll execute if a carrier gets nuked".

And let's face it, it's all speculation. In the case of one or more carrier
sinkings due to nuclear weapons, the US response is going to vary...that's
about the only firm statement that can be made. You're speculating that the
response will be to turn the offending country into a parking lot. I'm
speculating that the response will be a lot more limited, and may not even
involve US nuclear weapons.

AHS
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: has the USS Nimitz Battle Group arrived in or near the P Reply with quote

AHS,

Thanks for the reply, and for better clarifying your position.

Still, I stand firm any country would be foolish at best to attack a
carrier and the resonse would be swift.

You are right about one thing, it may not be a Nuke retaliation but
rest assured any entity would be sorry and regret the day they
attacked a US carrier.

One reason I don't post here too often is that most tend to attack
others opinions they have, based on thier own knowledge.

Rather than just sticking to the post.

/R,

CWO4 S.

(ps maybe we do get a little more briefing on what we'll do if a
carrier gets nuked you will never know!)







On Tue, 15 May 2007 11:34:26 GMT, "Arved Sandstrom"
<asandstrom (AT) accesswave (DOT) ca> wrote:

Quote:
fudog50> wrote in message
news:7e4i43lap0pgljila6fhgsaf4nfsv578dm (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Mon, 14 May 2007 14:47:16 GMT, "Arved Sandstrom"
asandstrom (AT) accesswave (DOT) ca> wrote:

fudog50> wrote in message
news:i4pf4313jevsuljpvged3mjftvc2fpn4ke (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On 4 May 2007 12:49:56 -0700, "David E. Powell"
David_Powell3006 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

On May 3, 7:54 pm, shrubkiller <shrubkil...@excite.com> wrote:
On May 3, 11:35 am, AirRaid <airraidfigh...@gmail.com> wrote:

The USS Nimitz and her Battle Group / Strike Group left California
around the beginning of April. generally it takes about a month or
to
reach the Persian Gulf. So if the Nimitz group is not already
there
yet, it should be shortly. within maybe, 1 more week or so, yeah?

Then the United States has 3 supercarriers (assuming the Eisenhower
group doesn't leave) within striking distance of Iran, not to
mention
at least two smaller "carriers" the Marine assault ships; USS Boxer,
USS Bataan and their escorts.

If the Pentagon needs even more naval power, I've heard they could
easily deploy 2 or 3 additional carrier groups to the region.
enough
for... ahem.... Gulf War III: Operation Devastate Iran.

Yep....and once they're all there, one big nuke will take out the
entire navy.

LOL!!!

No, an IranianHiroshima/Nagasaki/Bikini - level Nuke might take out
some of the ships, before the remaining ones (Including nuclear
missile subs) destroyed their entire country in retaliation.

Damn Stupidest thing I ever heard. ANY country would be a parking lot
if even one carrier was attacked, especially with a Nuke. Even USSR
during the cold war knew this and they had 11,000 times the capability
of any middle east country. They quit. China doesn't even dare.

Why would the US launch an all-out attack with all strategic nuclear
forces
just because one of its carriers got taken out with a nuclear weapon? That
would be stupid and counterproductive. At most you'd see a limited
counterforce attack that bloodies the nose of the country that launched
the
first weapon.

You guys don't know what you're talking about. Although in real life
things
may have not worked out nicely, at least in theory people on both sides
thought about graduated response for most of the Cold War. That's why they
had tactical nuclear weapons, so that (in theory) a war could be fought
between military units without going all out with SLBMs and ICBMs.

How could you be so ignorant to even suggest anyone would threaten a
carrier? You obviously watch too much CNN or don't understand our
Navy's capabilities or doctrine.

The Soviets always did threaten our carriers. So did the Japanese in WW2.
If
WW3 had happened the Soviet Navy and Soviet Naval Aviation would have been
swarming on the CVBGs like bees on honey, and if tactical nuclear weapons
had been necessary I'm pretty sure the Russians would have used them.

Not to mention the other forces that would quickly retaliate.

Only sensible response you made.

To put your thinking into context, imagine this - North Korea in the year
2021 launches a nuclear-tipped cruise missile that obliterates a US
carrier
off Japan. Well, not totally obliterates...but the hulk has to be
scuttled.
At the time North Korea and the US are in a state of declared war, and
planes off that carrier are bombing targets in North Korea. The US in
response delivers approximately 50 MT worth of nuclear ordnance that
reduces
every NK city over 50,000 in size to desert, wipes out most of the NK
military, and irradiates a third of the country and much of Japan.

Well, that's just a brilliant solution. But that's what you're advocating.

Here's a clue. Aircraft carriers are fair game for weapons - they don't
have
diplomatic immunity. And nuclear weapons are just weapons. You sound like
a
medieval knight who was shocked - shocked!!! - that rabble shot at him
with
crossbows.

AHS

Nice response Arv
,
I obviously have no clue what I am talking about, having served on 5
nuke carriers and am currently serving on one, absolutely no clue.

Thanks for ripping on me and attempting to set me straight.

Now go back to sleep.

Noted.

The fact that a US carrier is nuclear *powered* is irrelevant to this
discussion - I think even you would agree on that point. I'm also
hard-pressed to see why serving *on* carriers, in any capacity whatsoever,
gives you extra information about what the US response would be if a carrier
was taken out by a nuclear weapon...it's like the city manager of a US
metropolis saying that he'd know what the US response would be after a city
is destroyed by a nuclear weapon, just because of the fact that he's a city
manager.

I'm not busting on your carrier experience and knowledge at all. I just
don't see that it's any more relevant here than me having served in
artillery. Unless carrier personnel get a routine briefing entitled "Here's
the part of the SIOP that we'll execute if a carrier gets nuked".

And let's face it, it's all speculation. In the case of one or more carrier
sinkings due to nuclear weapons, the US response is going to vary...that's
about the only firm statement that can be made. You're speculating that the
response will be to turn the offending country into a parking lot. I'm
speculating that the response will be a lot more limited, and may not even
involve US nuclear weapons.

AHS
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EXCLUSIVE: God Talks about Creating the Universe

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Netanyahu: Shut off Gaza's water
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1178708628401

This is a war crime against GOd that Netanyhu, the enemy of God,
should be done in by US Jews out here over.

AIPAC's Power Base: America's Real Terrorists
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1656

/ / virtually all American domestic and foreign policy is now
being controlled by a foreign government entanglement \ \

Again, these liar DEMONS freely admit to wanting to kill or torture
steal or rape from INNOCENT GOD LOVING CHRISTIANS!

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Bush Successful at Permanent Legalization of Torture
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/070306Torture.htm

/ / The truth is that the Bush Administration has used the McCain
anti-torture bill to codify a policy of torture that is now
embedded in our legal system for perpetuity. \ \

McCain is some kinda demon enemy of God isn't he?
To say publicly, he apposes torturing innocent people to death
for the practicing Satanic bushite LIAR bad guys, leaves US thinking,
shouldn't WE put McCain to death for OFFICIALLY sanctioning
such criminality? I'd easily, without a second thought, put to death
all
those FOXJunkies in that debate audience who cheered from hell
with JOY, the prospect of torturing innocent people to death,
'if it means' such IRRATIONAL action protects "American lives".
See? the Magic TV and radio people refuse to allow me or
anyone to think through such absent minded ungodly EVIL intent.
Example: If you take FOXNews's word for it, and 'knew' your
potential victim knows for sure of an impending terror
attack... ... ..
.. How so? See? demon enemy f-cks, the ungodly bushite nazi
vermin haters of Justice measured, [who steal in MY America as
TRUE EVIL DOERS,] forbid such wisdom communicated as understood,
for that would mean, we'd have to allow the Victims more air time.

And wise poor men such as myself would command respect and gratitude.

and together, WE'D be hunting down those bushite liars who
torture innocent people to death for their satanic pleasures.
For, you know it does warrant the Death Sentence in America,
right? (You can thank Reagan for that...)

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/ / Shirley, bin Laden would be sided with the fundamentalist
Shiites, before, everyone-is-an-equal Sunnis, who as Bathists,
had no problem WARRING al-Qeada, while counting as members of
their party, Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Atheists. But
corporate bushite liar america says no, bin Laden supports
Sunni IRRATIONALLY, and that is why bushites have to sacrifice
in partnership with those who blow up PEOPLE indiscriminately
as the 'good guy' 'heroes'. \ \

Death to the bushite, death to the enemies of Mankind.

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/ / In a move that hardly indicates that he was a terrorist
plotting to attack a US government installation Tatar then
went to the Philadelphia police department to complain that he
was being pressured by someone into getting a map of Fort Dix
and that he thought this had something to do with a terrorist
plot. \ \

Didn't see this on our TV news either did You?

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The King of the Jews is True Red White and Blue

King of the Jews
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The True Red White and Blue
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JOHNNY ROCKS

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Quote:
BTW, ALL those Islam nuts aren't a half a world away. You may
recall a small incident that occurred on 9/11/2001. And just the
other day 6 more them were grabbed before they could attack Ft. Dix.
But, go ahead, keep your head in the sand. Pun intended.

See? demon enemies of Creation DO exist, and are easily worth killing
to defend the innocent they hold in Satanic contempt. Death to the
bushite nazi liar thieves, death to our enemies who assist in the
escape of the bushmob for 911.


/ / On CBS' "Face the Nation," she claimed that intelligence errors
before the war were "worldwide" even though the International
Atomic Energy Agency's Mohamed ElBaradei publicly stated there
was "no evidence" of an Iraqi nuclear program \ \

That from the 911 witch, who forbade a stop to hostilities
IN AMERICA'S NAME against the innocent in Lebanon.

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Pill popping American GI teens are becoming.. CRACKHEADS!


http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/march02levine.htm

/ / Dexedrine affect the same neurotransmitters as cocaine;
and ADHD drugs and cocaine are both classified by the DEA as
Schedule II psychostimulants (Schedule II drugs are legal
drugs that have the highest potential for abuse and
addiction). \ \

American grunts get FREE all the Dexedrine they can shoot

Do you know how a crackhead finds itself? Lost by
indifference to the ultimate, only goal, more dope. Freedom
Fighter? or crackhead WHORE, who hopes to find a dollar
'somewhere' to stave off it's crackmaster, the "American
People", led by the un-elected demon dictator, our criminal
Mr. bush Jr., as the true enemies of all Mankind. Bushites
are on serious dope to be so dumb as cowardly accomplices to a
traitor of themselves, that they would die as, before
actually defending God's America - that they gave an Oath to.

I guess a soldier's word doesn't count for much in bushville.

The bushmob did 911 as traitors to God and Country, don't you
know anything worth living for? my dying unjustly brothers
and sisters? My friends, please fear not wisdom communicated
by a REAL Man, for, we explain ourselves to the best of YOUR
ability to listen simply. G. W. Bush used no evidence to
form America's "conclusion" on who did US wrong on 911. So,
Please, stop forsaking yourself, for, we're going nowhere.
Support Johnny's call to demand open debate without censorship
from the magic radio and TV execs, who hide in darkness,
pretending to be our friends, while refusing intelligent
dialog to answer any of our big troubles easily. Why?
because largely, they're powerless without beating us down as
giving 'Christ like' VICTIM so much - with their irrational
ignorance for our survivals by the fittest. The fittest Ideas
that rule this Universe, are the simplest, most easy to
understand, but I digress about GOD'S greatness, for we know,.
the corporate media elites as our voice, "Couldn't Care Less".

CBC just did a report about all the great heroin coming in
from Afghanistan, that will still cause crime, and be illegal,
(and maybe give you life in prison as an American,) but
brought in with the help of the demonically evil bushite
thieving murderous military, by the likely ton full to attack
our direct family left un-protected, BY YOU PERSONALLY. And
guess what? THEY, our media masters, couldn't care less if
they actually tried to be our good guys. Reminder: the god
guys is good, the demon liar antichrist demon enemies who
thieve from Life with censorship is bad. If they hide
ourselves too far, they loose all around, up and down. So get
to it. Or don't. Your choice. Life lived Now, or damnable
death by cowardly design brought forthwith under your own
power to do nothing under such terrible costs against our
suffering natures.

Typical tyranny for media control over all of Life for the
beginners is this treasonous betrayal against our Nature, by
refusing to be honest about our potential to be far greater
than first considered. If they'd only allow US to have open
communications, all our worlds would be better living for it.

Demand Coast to Coast hosts allow America to defend America.

I want air time with the one and only real man in these here
parts, Mr. Johnny America, our glorious make believe creator
of all we perceive religiously, self realized. He's a genius!

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No evidence against an accused is US being truly abused

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Help me gain access to speak freely for open challenge against
Hannity, and of America's Coast to Coast Radio network hosts,
who deliberately deny you to contend, we're really, one hell
of a great bunch of People persons with rights God damn them.

Support Johnny's run for acknowledgment, and get US in the
News why don't You. Let me be king for a day my American Kin.
Make me a rich, near to dwell, well to do.

Get it done.

King Johnny Wizard
President and CEO

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rag-heads and niggers

/ / Bushite corporate america, has stated in silence, the
bushite enemies of Haditha will never face public execution
for such offences, YOU apparently WILL NOT GRANT IT, too
cowardly, and in all likelihood, (like those of the Saudi
Blount's third infantry) will be allowed to walk freely down
american streets after being found GUILTY as politically
supporting the robbing and murder of innocent men, women, and
children all because we're INNOCENT rag-heads or niggers, \ \
like the NAZIS with jews. Zionist Holocaust Deniers that say
otherwise, ('Fallujah never happened'), WE should just
immediately put to death to save the lives of our remaining
loved ones. Death to the murderous bushite LIAR thieves,
death to all Satanic bushite traitor enemies of Justice for
Man, proclaims I, King Johnny.

Dope Pushing Cop Killers

Support torture as a Zionist AIPAC Politician like demon
McCain, and The surviving PEOPLE of the Messiah - will rise up
to take you down as the ungodly enemy LIAR McCain clearly IS.
As so is the Satanically practicing (with Molech and
everything) repuglicons straight across the board, who, as a
few demoncrates too, support the CRIMINAL escape of the
bushmob through threats against the innocent LOVED by GOD
ALMIGHTY. A REAL GOD with A REAL SON. McCain has got to go.
Please, I, The Son of Man, the MAN of men, beg and plead again
to all able bodied persons, see the thieving bushite zionist,
kill it to defend Christ, kill it to defend America, kill it
to defend any or all children of LIFE. Kill it with the honor
and courage every REAL PATRIOT has to defend his own family my
friend, lastly, kill it for me. These naked LIAR enemies who
bank to thieve more from Iraq, Afghanistan and America, must
be brought down by Humanity's ultimate triumph over tyranny
through Law. A just law, where those accused without any
evidence are Innocent, and WORTHY yOur defenses. Get to it.


Kill any bushite bomber and be loved by God's America.

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Nature of Good and Evil

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Christians Demand Bush be Impeached for Worshiping Satan
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=1845

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Lt. Denton to the completely innocent as god loving
'You die, you die, you die'

Lt. Denton must die. We apparently have him on video blowing
up People not guilty of anything. He shall die as the dope
pushing cop killer he is, and we'll use his brief existence as
a beneficial measurement to determine, which other demonic
bushite soldiers, who as bonafide 'evil doers', disagree with
such Just action - be put to death for our Freedoms also.
Simple for everyone to understand? We think so, so says the
Son of Man.

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Death to the zionist bushite enemy forces

/ / After it was revealed by the Plaid Cymru MP Adam Price
that British trained policemen had tortured prisoners to death
with drills, we discovered, through the New York Times (!!),
that American intelligence officers had been working alongside
them at the Jamiyat police station \ \

Death to the zionist bushite enemy forces, death to the
ungodly enemies of Man who torture innocent people to death
for fun - expecting Johnny's America will not raise a word in
defense for the Human race, or our guns to defend our loyal
brothers to the cause of Justice. Death to the bushite, death
to God's enemies who lie cheat and steal from Humanity to
assist in the escape of those responsible for 911.

BASELESS?

/ / Prime Minister Stephen Harper "We will conclude a formal
agreement so that we never again face these baseless
allegations," he said. Thirty Afghan detainees have claimed
they were beaten, whipped, given electric shocks and denied
food once they were transferred to Afghan security forces by
the Canadian military \ \

These demons who war for ZIONIST censorship are a bunch a dope
pushing cop killers, who murder innocent people they call
'Taliban' better known as in Arabic - students.

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Proudly kill the bushite who would drop from the sky,SEVEN
MILLION landmines on our cities to kill our children for
decades indiscriminately, while offering our Humanity to God no
apologies. Proudly kill the bushite savages all to
desperately survive ourselves creating a better world through
fair, free market communications. To warring for Liberty as
true Freedom wills, is for Justice understood as measured, not
just made up out of nowhere for the pleasures of those truly
Satanic. So spoke the King of being the wisdom we here
revealed by statement of timeless fact. Good will triumph
over evil. That's that.

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Tenent "Lets everybody tell the truth."

It seems Tenent wants to inform us he actually meant when
saying "slam dunk" - that, selling the war to the American
Joe, without establishing any real facts would be easier than
anything against the powerless as media unrepresented!


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/ / Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who has called for a withdrawal of
all U.S. contractors from Iraq. "They charge whatever they
want with impunity. There's no accountability as to how many
people they have, as to what their activities are." \ \

Kucinich for President!

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Bushite War LIFE Itself - and - They Couldn't Care Less

'Alpha company patrols the poppy fields.'
20070420_taliban28.mp3 (pbs broadcast)

"About the poppy harvest, currently gathering pace all around
them, they couldn't care less." Instead they kill unarmed
innocent people indiscriminately as enemies to ALL HUMAN LIFE.


They Couldn't Care Less


The 82 Airborne, in assisting in defending the world wide
distribution and production of heroin, tells of murdering
innocent farmers, that would never raise a gun in anger, are
those they openly confess to target for first degree murder as
labeled the, second tier Taliban. That's when not defending
American Pension thiever ENRON'S pipeline managed under their
extremist Muslim fundamentalist regime of intolerance for
public communications, as the continuing thieving of 80
percent the Humanitarian Aid given by Canada to feed the
STARVING, and school our children of the impoverished
Afghanistan, as so reported. Eighty percent. 80. 80 percent
stolen. I'm telling YOU: CBC couldn't care less about what
Canadian soldiers are actually dying as COWARDS for:
"Al-Qaida" = "General Mahmoud Ahmad" = "bush's ungodly
partners in crime" CBC national radio management needs to be
arrested in Canada for high TREASON. Please, be a Patriot,
and demand these zionists allow open communication with the
facts to save the lives of Canadians soldiers they hold in
contempt to die as the bad guys committed to no better good.

Occupation Forces support Afghan Narcotics Trade
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070604&articleId=5514



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/ / [...] the [New York Times] piece details the torture of
[Innocent People] Sunni prisoners at one of the new
American-Iraqi "security stations" \ \ Kill the bushite for
America, for Justice is Freedom. Lawless mercenaries are not
granted by our will to survive truly. A "lawless" enemy
granted "immunity" by bushite evil phonies, is that of which,
holds ourselves in their confessed contempt for Justice.
Receive thanks from everyone, GOD included, by rightly
destroying such inexcusable treasonous ungodly enemies of all
human life.

Torture is a crime against God and Humanity. So, likewise,
joyously, with pride, destroy the neocon traitors of Justice -

for the true Love you have as Freedom willed - is as granted.
Don't buy their demon lies by blind blanket false assertions,
against YOUR Humanity's Innocence in tyrannical bondage, all
done in to fool you believing, we have no rights to be heard
in our presence - here existing freely. Therefore, to survive
US all for something better, halt the 'escaping' murderous
bushite thieves for God and America. SOLDIERS: Instead of
dying for nothing, my wannabe Patriot Brothers, try joining
Liberty's cause, which is our cause truly. Is it because
corporate TV zionist money whores, are cowardly and ignorant,
as evil hypno muggers, in MY dying for real America, that YOU
refuse to speak Now in your Humanity's begging further
defense?, on evidence being the only requirement to establish
a person's guilt or innocence? for ungodly terrorist
activities committed in our name by bushite bombers from the
neo-conned AIR FORCE, who, as rotted juveniles, cheeringly
bomb us People indiscriminately leaving a Church as something
TRULY SATANIC? To dare, in our presence, continue threatening
harm against an innocent child of wonder, not yet even born to
God's suffering world? Bushites war LIFE itself. So then
pleads I again the Son to God, as Man to Men: war to kill the
enemy bushite nazi savage thieves, for real Freedom is waged
truly by Just causes. The mute, pro-censorship/tyranny
THIEVING bushite savaged nation, has NO EXCUSE for the crimes
they have committed in our dying names. I demand our voices
heard internationally for Justice as Freedom is Godly.

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Look, these neocon zionists KNOW they are OUR enemies

Israel Knesset member Talab al-Sanai "It took Israel 37 years
to develop and perfect these barbaric methods of repression
and humiliation," al-Sanai observed. "Surprisingly, the
Americans surpassed and outmatched the Israelis in their
[Zionist] savagery in less than two years."

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Look: innocent people are being tortured to death by those
who hide OPENLY in America's uniform. [let US hunt them down
for GOD, despite what demon lies they argue give them as
Satanic to avoid "The Law".]

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Glenn Beck Threatens [INNOCENT] Muslims with Concentration Camps

/ / Look, these neocon zionists KNOW they are OUR enemies.
They want to divide the People, so we won't complain about
dying for their contempt for freedom by Justice. Bush used
zero evidence to implicate Laden, while immediately working to
close outstanding criminal investigations. What is it my
friend that YOU can't figure? \ \

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http://english-cyprus.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/5/truth_to_power_=_the_johnny_wizard_conundrum.mp3
http://www.indymedia.no/usermedia/audio/5/truth_to_power_=_the_johnny_wizard_conundrum.mp3

War and the Police State: Complicity of the American People
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=THO20070421&articleId=5454

/ / On September 11, 2001, corporate media and the government
elite launched an aggressive political and media campaign upon
and against the American people. \ \

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SATANIC AMERICA

/ / After playing a tape of Cheney's statement, Russert asked
Daschle, "Did the vice president call you and urge you not to
investigate the events of Sept. 11?"

MSNBC told YOU when interviewing Tom Daschle in discussion
of the official public contention, that immediately after the
terrorist act of 9/11 in New York City, (where thousands of
American People were murdered,) bush and cheney frantically,
desperately, INTENTIONALLY, worked paid overtime to close 9/11
(the justice-freedom thing) Investigations on who or whom
planned to get away un-apprehended with the still living as
freely wealthy General Ahmad. \ \

911 "truthers" don't want to address the hard evidence like
the clear as day video of steel running like water from the
WTC towers, for, as Humanity witnesses, they'd rather watch
silently, children murdered indiscriminately, before,
acknowledging wise godly men from our communities who speak
ONLY facts on America's derision for real, open market Free
communications - freedom fighters who ACTUALLY defend the
innocent from the neocon bushmob traitors. Each day we hear
of near hundreds of US murdered by the godless Satanic
THEIVING "American" forces in Iraq. without near a peep of
concern by "America". Lawless bushite mercenaries torture
rape and murder, paid to do so by the WILLING American tax
payer, and near 300 million "People" (the NAZIS) can't find
the effort to pick up a princely phone and call the ENEMY pro
child killer George Norry, (who broadcasts every day across
America nationally for the IRRATIONAL neocons,) to air any
real concern for our Lives. True, the demon enemy censors OUR
calls, and contrives WE a buyer without questions, but he
doesn't censor You always forever. So, get to it fukhead,
JOHN is growing angry with americans of EVIL ignoramuses
escaping the bushmob for crimes against MY HUMANITY. The Son
of Man States: Death to the bushite, death to our MURDEROUS
enemies, who lie cheat and steal to assist in the further
criminal escape of the ungodly bushmob for 911 as TRAITORS.

Loyal bushie McCain as bona-fide nazi savage "Bomb bomb bomb Iran.."

Reporter 'Mr. McCain, you demon liar nazi fu-ker, don't you
think your being insensitive to innocent god loving Iranians?'

Pro-Torture of INNOCENT PEOPLE McCain "Insensitive to what?
The Iranians? My response is lighten up and get a life."

Johnny America Lyrics: "Can't an American PROUDLY kill TRAITOR
pro-torture Zionist McCain for the Love of living Life Justly,
as Freedom was Country?"

Investigating the Investigation
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17816

/ / After playing a tape of Cheney's statement, Russert asked
Daschle, "Did the vice president call you and urge you not to
investigate the events of Sept. 11?" \ \

PRO-TORTURE Gonzales "I quite frankly don't like the idea of
the Judiciary deciding who is on my staff." [at Justice]

PRO-TORTURE Gonzales "I did not make decisions about who
should or should not be asked to resign." [in mid-term]

As US State Attorneys?, whom have the most serious of American
Justice Department Motions of Defense for REAL Freedom?, he's
not concerned directly with?, nor would "like" democratic
Peoples to be allowed to care either?. IF he gets HIS way he
says - as minding for the criminal master. True, Americans
are generally, extremely cowardly as Bush's freely giving
PAYERS, led for more ungodly sacrifices in fascistic silence,
but this continuing charade of incompetence gathering against
our entire Humanity, is going way beyond acceptable to
everyone concerning. Johnny Wizard conceivers and otherwise
non-believers state together:

The Iraq war against Christ has no true justifiable cause.
Torture is against the law warranting immediate death sentences
The Zionist AIR FORCE bomb people indiscriminately as Satanic
The bushmob stole all the Development Funds for Iraq
The bushmob are stealing ALL of Iraq's oil
The bushmob stole 100s of billions from censored AMERICANS,
while George W. Bush personally stole 50 billion from America
in the first four months of stealing the initial election.

/ / A BUSHITE GRUNT PRISSING PROUD AS OUR ENEMY "I grabbed her
little sister and put her in front of me . . as the bullets
began to fly, the blood sprayed from between her eyes, and
then I laughed maniacally." [, then were heard the cheers of
godless bushite dumfuk traitors obscening to God and Man as
the unholy enemy.]

What ever happened to butterfly kisses after evening prayers?

Are you telling me, an American Father, wouldn't gloriously
kill this lawless bushite enemy and his demonic ilk, for our
love of girls everywhere? Or, how about the UNARRESTED
soldiers we witnessed on video beat shoeless children
pratically to death while laughing and cheering? Or like
those that speak zero defenses for Haditha's confessed MASS
MURDERING irrational women and child killers? The REAL demons
CONFESS to going into a house, WITHOUT reasoned approach, and
slaughtering an entire INNOCENT family.. for nothing but
their lifeless SATANIC pleasures. The 'cause'? "The [mass
murdered unarmed innocent neighbor's] back door was open.."
To, for God, gloriously, with love, kill these unarrested
murderous continuing ungodly bushite nazis, is to war the TRUE
enemies of Humanity to save the lives of our precious loved
ones. \ \

Art Bell, "the thief", is really fuking evil to GOD as America..
being a blatant naked LIAR to the American Patriot Warriors

Death to the bushite, death to our MURDEROUS enemies, who lie
cheat and steal to assist in the criminal escape of the
bushmob for 911 as CLEARLY TRAITORS, so says the one and only,


King Johnny Wizard -
President and CEO of
Shareware Earth Co.

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Glenn Beck Threatens [INNOCENT] Muslims with Concentration Camps

/ / Look, these neocon zionists KNOW they are OUR enemies.
They want to divide the People, so we won't complain about
dying for their contempt for freedom by Justice. Bush used
zero evidence to implicate Laden, while immediately working to
close outstanding criminal investigations. What is it my
friend that YOU can't figure? \ \

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http://mediamatters.org/items/200702260008

/ / Wash. Post parroted White House claim that Iraq war was
authorized by U.N. Security Council \ \

Treason charges must be sought against zionist reporters
who LIE with such blatant disregard for your freedom in America.

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Bush Won't Turn Over Emails Until White House 'Reviews' Them
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/18/596/

/ / Bush and the RNC should be immediately sued. There are no
sustainable Executive Privilege arguments here: the emails
were already sent over a NON-GOVERNMENTAL email system. In
other words, if sensitive/classified information was sent over
this system it would be a felony and impeachable. Any
official information sent over this RNC email system would
also be a violation of the Presidential Records Act. \ \

It's like a catch 22..

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So, the demon liar bush tells US, the terrorists would rather
travel to Iraq to kill Americans indiscriminately, than come
directly to America from wherever instead, to kill anyone who
silently supports the indiscriminate murder of our humanity.

CHRIST HATES the godless bushite nazi THIEVES, who by LYING,
murder our loved INNOCENT family members, all to steal our

good names in God. Death to the bushite, death to our enemies.
See the bushite, you kill it for Christ, you kill it for
America, you kill it to defend Yourself.


http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2007/04/16/treason-against-christ.mp3
http://media.indypgh.org/uploads/2007/04/treason-against-christ.mp3
http://houston.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/treason-against-christ.mp3
http://newmexico.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/treason-against-christ.mp3
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/treason-against-christ.mp3
http://english-cyprus.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/8/treason-against-christ.mp3
http://neworleans.media.indypgh.org/uploads/2007/04/treason-against-christ.mp3
http://www.ntimc.org/attachments/apr2007/treasonagainstchrist.mp3

John's truth. Killing a THIEVING bushite is to save the lives
of the innocent they target for murder. The cowardly bushite,
dies sacrificed - all to help IT slavishly escape those
responsible for 'getting away with' murdering thousands of
Americans in New York City on 911. Sorry George W. Bush and
company, enemy traitors to God and America, not under our
eternal watch. The People has spoken forever on this subject
of direct accountability. Bush told us we didn't need any
evidence, well, I know that WE DO, so, fu-k you too George
Bush Jr.. This is my World..


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/ / RENOWNED metallurgist Rosie O'Donnell proclaimed on TV on
Thursday that Sept. 11, 2001, was a more significant date
than most of us realized. It was, in her words, "the first
time in history that fire has ever melted steel." \ \


http://newmexico.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/metal_flowing_like_water_from_wtc_tower.avi
http://www.stlimc.org/usermedia/video/1/metal_flowing_like_water_from_wtc_tower.avi
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/uploads/metal_flowing_like_water_from_wtc_tower.avi
http://houston.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/metal_flowing_like_water_from_wtc_tower.av
http://www.stlimc.org/usermedia/video/2/1_metal_flowing_like_water_from_wtc_tower.avi
http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/1/metal_flowing_like_water_from_wtc_tower.avi
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/metal_flowing_like_water_from_wtc_tower.avi

/ / The problem is, is the people running the anti-war
movement aren't honest, conscientious, liberal sort of people
who are against war or have a reasonable argument about this
stuff. \ \

http://melbourne.indymedia.org/uploads/solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi
http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/9/solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi
http://english-cyprus.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/9/solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi
http://www.stlimc.org/usermedia/video/10/1_solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi
http://www.stlimc.org/usermedia/video/9/solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi
http://houston.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi
http://newmexico.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/04/solid-evidence-of-wtc-implosion.avi


/ / Another soldier told Benedict she carried a knife with her
at all times. "The knife wasn't for the Iraqis," she said.
"It was for the [bushite demon nazi dumfuk enemies of Christ]
guys on my own side." \ \

http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/battle_plan_of_christ.mp3
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/uploads/battle_plan_of_christ.mp3
http://houston.indymedia.org/uploads/battle_plan_of_christ.mp3

Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators
- Adolf Hitler, 1938 -

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/27/214145.php

/ / Why would [subhuman bushite] guards torture a man they
considered innocent? \ \ Because they are openly enemies to
Christ. I say, kill it for America when you can, God bless.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85202/paul-r-pillar/intelligence-policy-and-the-war-in-iraq.html

/ / "As the national intelligence officer for the Middle East,
I was in charge of coordinating all of the intelligence
community's assessments regarding Iraq," Pillar writes. "The
first request I received from any administration policy-maker
for any such assessment was not until a year into the war." \ \

Bushite will kill America

/ / At 9:32 he saw and heard a bomb destroy the offices of the
Pentagon auditors. 40 military officers investigating the
missing money were killed. The CTC was destroyed too. You
can read more here:

http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id206.html \ \

http://scotland.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/6/nazi_israel.mp3
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
http://media.indypgh.org/uploads/2006/07/nazi_israel.mp3
http://www.indymedia.no/usermedia/audio/6/nazi_israel.mp3
http://hamilton.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/7/Nazi_Israel.mp3

/ / Most American soldiers, even though their stupid, their
not pure nazi evil. You can stop them on the street and go,
"look, did you know the FBI allege that general Ahmad funded
Atta? and was working with the bush administration on their
invasion of Afghanistan strategy? We need REAL men to stand
up for our community presently. Because FOXNEWS is going to
viciously ATTACK your rights to be free in this World. Who
am I? Johnny. A soldier's soldier. \ \

Ungodly murderous Israel is an enemy of every Life, for These
"Jews" are pure nazi filth, evil and decrepit." But not
according to the silently on our dying issues, CNN, CBC, and
demon enemy George "pro child killer" Norry. America's voice
of global tyranny through his personal debasement of Johnny's
America.

/ / You kill it. Why? Because it wont defend you, it wont even
defend itself. It wont defend America, it wont defend it's
brother. It wont defend anybody, because it's a lifeless coward. \ \

/ / an enemy of freedom, it's an enemy of every living Human
being. It knows bush did 911, but forbids itself, and forbids
America to stand with virtue, with strength, with honor. \ \

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"Al-Qaida" = "General Mahmoud Ahmad" = "bush's ungodly partners in
crime"

Please, if you must forsake me in your personal
cowardice and self loathing, don't forsake GOD and America by
not killing with PRIDE, these bushite dumfuks of NATO the
first chances you get. Love liberty as if it were your own,
and kill a lawlessly murderous bushite nazi savage for your
love of anyone included. (You can quote me forever on that.)

Let Johnny speak!

http://dc.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/2/repuglicon-enemies.mp3
http://pr.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/03/repuglicon-enemies.mp3
http://www.stlimc.org/usermedia/audio/3/1_repuglicon-enemies.mp3
http://maineindymedia.org/usermedia/audio/2/repuglicon-enemies.mp3
http://arkansas.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/2/repuglicon-enemies.mp3
http://www.binghamtonpmc.org/usermedia/application/2/repuglicon-enemies.mp3

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Do you expect yourself to fail trying?

It's all up to You my friend, it's all up to you.


Onward Christian Soldier.

IDEA: Let's get our show up and running, by allowing open
public investigations To be conducted internationally, with
open line challenges, so we can publicly isolate each and
every bushmobster personally responsible for 911, and then,
all of everything else still left outstanding murdering
ourselves. Whadoyahsay??

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'We were torturing people for no reason'
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/28/opinion/edmckelvey.php

...but for a bushite's Satanic pleasure,
death to the tyrant thieving bushite sadists,
death to GOD'S ENEMIES who war freedom in America to help escape
Our Mr. bush Jr. for the crimes HE DID with Ahmad on 911

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1128-01.htm

Do we have a problem here in any way?

/ / A spokesman for Aegis Defence Services, said: "There is nothing
to indicate that these film clips are in any way connected to Aegis."
\ \


Not now according to CNN, bushite enemy Tim Spicer, and the Pentagon.
This UN-NAMED spokesperson WILL be tried for aiding the crimes
of first degree murder with it's lying racist nazi filth, who
like getting away murdering black guys for fun and profit in iraq,
paid for by A cowardly DYING AMERICA.

AMERICAN

http://rochester.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/4/1_news-tunes.mp3
http://boston.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/5/1_News-Tunes.mp3
http://houston.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/01/news-tunes.mp3
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/01/news-tunes.mp3
http://www.stlimc.org/usermedia/audio/3/news-tunes.mp3
http://baltimore.indymedia.org/usermedia/audio/3/news-tunes.mp3

The Pentagon's Power to Jail Americans Indefinitely
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/270307_pentagon_power_jail.html

Look, demon enemies of Christ torture innocent people for fun, paid
for by the silent American tax payer. Americans refuses to bother
making
a simple phone call to Coast to Coast to raise some concern. THEY
don't. They refuse to hunt bushite down in their streets for death
to defend the innocent held indefinitely against GOD'S will.
Death to the bushite, death to Johnny's godless, lawless,
fascist enemies of FREEDOM.

"Al-Qaida" = "General Mahmoud Ahmad" = "bush's ungodly partners in
crime"

/ / Never in modern history has country been forced to pay for its
death,
torture, and destruction with its own money - its own oil revenues. A
country
where thieves are entrusted with its richness and where murderous
gangs are
entrusted with its security. \ \

Look, CNN, CBC, and FOx News know the bushmob did 911,
but will smile while watching your son or daughter sent
out to die CONNED by their demonic hatred for US freely communicated.
How do I know this? I made the effort of making the phone calls.

"Al-Qaida" = "General Mahmoud Ahmad" = "bush's ungodly partners in
crime"

Defend freedom, and the FBI, by demanding Coast to Coast radio hosts
allow free communications, absent their personal contempt for
preserving
freedom to be our America. George Norry WILL kill Your American child
for the contempt he truly holds for our lives here. He says he only
supports murdering Arab children for the neocon, but when your not
looking
in his 'shadows', he'll kill your child too, don't doubt it for a
second.

"Al-Qaida" = "General Mahmoud Ahmad" = "bush's ungodly partners in
crime"

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NATO forces shoot Afghan child, run over another
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=168118

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The "Shock and Awe" Galleryİ
http://www.marchforjustice.com/shock&awe.php

/ / "The children seem to be the most openly enthused.
They are getting a chance at a future the likes of which
would never have been possible under the oppressive
regime..." \ \

Johnny America "Death to the bushite, death to our enemies."

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MEDIA MATTERS
Rosie: Was 9/11 inside job to protect Enron?

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The Ground Truth
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15319.htm

The part where pro-bush "American" soldiers drive over children to
kill them
for fun, all because they say our Humanity let's those responsible
escape
retribution for being Satanically evil as enemies to Christ, left me
angered beyond words.

Glenn Beck "A complete lack of knowledge really, you know, really
hasn't stopped me [here at CNN] from pontificating on any topic
before, so here goes."

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US Attorney's Firing may be [IS] Connected to CIA Corruption Probe
http://www.theolympian.com/101/story/71116.html

/ / On May 11, 2006, Kyle Sampson, then Gonzales' chief of
staff, sent an e-mail to deputy White House counsel William
Kelley, asking Kelley to call to discuss "the real problem we
have right now with Carol Lam [...] \ \


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pleasure of the president

US Attorneys don't serve "the pleasure of the president", they
serve freedom lovers dedicated to defending America from
willful criminality. But, americans are too stupidly weak to
demand Coast to Coast hosts allow open communications on
America's highest of concerns. Bushite america would rather,
in silence, thieve from God as our Humanity, than serve the
protections of Justice as ourselves.

/ / According to the Islamic understanding of power, the
Mujahideen don't compete for the positions in the leadership. \ \

"Those who negotiate in the name of the Taliban will be
killed," he [the bushite nazi dumfuk 'Taliban' 2nd in command]
said. He did not elaborate.


Hmmm. Allah is all, and negotiating for freedom from naked
bushite tyranny is won EASILY through communicating
understanding. The tribal strategy of Afghan fighters, where
Allah is Oonerroh, seems to be not the only thing missing from
the statements of this "Taliban" RELIGIOUS FUNDEMENTALIST top
top top leader. Only "second" to Omar the Just. (Apparently
an individual this current bushite incantation of "Dadullah"
is totally un-familiar of.) Omar, the Just, whom Dadullah
claims he receives his Top Secret nobody can see'im orders.
In other winds: Bill a bushite for God and America, an all
day long you'll have good faith in a world freeing ourselves
of godless dumfuk tyranny implemented by the horribly foolish,
as deeply ignorant of Allah, bushite demon liars for the
traitor neocon. TRAITORS!

"Those who negotiate in the name of the Taliban will be
killed," he [the bushite nazi dumfuk 'Taliban' 2nd in command]
said. He did not elaborate.

Allah is all, and negotiating for freedom from naked bushite
tyranny is won EASILY through communicating understanding.
Omar the Just knew this to say so, as do I. And this is why
corporate news professionals forbid me to speak openly without
nazi censorship, ON OUR AIR-WAVES, because I am honorable,
right, and true as believable. While America's fun guy,
zionist George Norry, states to support PUBLICLY, the ungodly
murder of innocent Arabic children for nothing but his
personal contempt of YOUR DYING LIFE, while further wanting to
invite thoughtlessly nuking places on Earth all for his secret
hatred of US freely commutating. Typical bushite. Ending
with to tell US again 'convincingly', that bin Laden did do
911 as a terror-ist bad guy in G's World!!?! How so? EH?
How so? he don't care man, he don't care. He and his family
have millions of dollars to sell you out, so why care for your
struggle to survive in bushville soldiering? Frankly, George
Norry is a total dickhead. True, he has lots of money in
America, but he's still a dickhead nevertheless.

Alex Jones and me aren't on the best of speaking terms, but I
will state, a desire to address every same challenge he has
adroitly addressed as publicly lacking. And when I am
addressed 'officially', I will campaign to put US in the space
to realize, we are the government, we are the people. We
don't need to run to the hills and encamp ourselves away to
defend ourselves to the max from the man, we are the man. I'm
telling yeh, I know this to be so as the sea is we magically.
Equal rights for all in God's name is self evident. Self
evident to ME anyway... but well.. who am i?, right - I'll
tell you as I have for more than a decade as a living fiction
forsaken for lack of anybody anywhere understanding in
totality what I am here on Earth as true Son to Man - a
'understandable' timeless stand in for G to gain recognition
through as honest broker. [I've been everywhere around
forever, and.. blahblah.. I know people really don't care to
know of ancient wisdoms, truths that guide the order to the
Universe, cause often they think I'm beyond their
comprehension as a 'better than', when all power is in equal
respect for others as our hurting brothers and sisters
suffering with tyranny by our collective willful ignorance on
Justice.[God's bestest is Just for every reason being thus]] I
am one serious genius by no accident in words you have as much
right to contend for yourself being, if you'd only believe we
have some good ideas here to really defend ourselves with.

Please my American friend, help US speak out freely Coast to
Coast. So we together can start, on demanding Justice for
all, as innocence in serious jeopardy. Dadullah is most
likely an individual who holds at least some control over
official military functions of NATO in the region. So, we're
going to seed loyalties of the rare Patriots in the force to
recognize our need to isolate who supports, not talking FREELY
for peace easily in Afghanistan without question. No evidence
was brought against Laden, therefore, the Taliban were True
Patriots, and bushite traitors are pure racist nazi filth
ridden, toxic, as being cowardly dishonorable as despicably
evil, enemies to us all. Put US in Command.

Question the bushite, question to anyone who mumbles
disagreement in the godly fact, that WE, as Humanity, will
spend the better part of this next generation, hunting every
last war profiteering nazi war criminal down for our real
Freedom from their, so errorred "endless" tyranny of big money
terror. Lawlessness with be outlawed, and ANY corporate
american who mumbles otherwise, as an enemy totalitarianist,
the clear ungodly, (as should be criminal,) will be put to
challenge by their very own children, or parents, or bleeding
dead brothers. Hannity must be tried for death as lying that
the holocaust never happened from Iran. DEATH to the demon
liar nazi fu-ker I say, DEATH to the demon liar nazi fu-ker.

/ / According to Danish Karokhel, director of Pajhwok, the
Italian government should negotiate directly with Dadullah.
"Italy is negotiating with the wrong people," he said in an
email to IPS. "The only one that counts and decides is Mullah
Dadullah." \ \ Oh Yeah, but what about Omar the Just, And...
hmmmm. who is Karokhel today anyway, and when was the last
time anyone seen him alive?

/ / How did a member of the Taliban in Afghanistan get hold of
the phone number of an ABC news producer? Afghan 411 must be
REALLY good! \ \ iiIII! can't even do that.. well...
easily from Canada as an official non-fugitive that is. Just
what is the going rate of satellite phone service out of
Afghanistan? Remember: evil is DUMB about everything,
including technology. Or so, how are we missed for report by
point to point presentation using the same old satellite for
phone service? Repeatedly calling the same mumblers? Jesus,
If we really worked at it, I could probably reach where they
were in a day or two by hitch-hiking.

"Al-Qaida" = "General Mahmoud Ahmad" = "bush's ungodly partners in
crime"

Who IS running this bushite nazi liar show, where they, our
elite corporate media masters, kill our stupid kids with their
flagrant naked monster lies, while refusing all calls for
clarity, Johnny America really wants to know. Like
immediately. Help us out here some man, don't be evil.

/ / "Those who negotiate in the name of the Taliban will be
killed," he said. He did not elaborate. \ \ He's either with
the proven cowards of JTF2, or the two or three "CIA" guys
secretly hunting bin Laden in caves out there with tens of
billions of dollars. SPENT EACH YEAR 'unknowingly'. (No
reason why, but, they just can't tell You, as the paying for
it really while DYING) Put US in Command.


/ / The Mujahideen aren't students of power and don't compete
for power like others do. We are students of truth and work
for establishing this truth and for this cause we sacrifice
our power \ \

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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=355789

/ / Timothy Griffin, Karl Rove's assistant, the President's
pick as US Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas.
Griffin, according to BBC Television, was the hidden hand
behind a scheme to wipe out the voting rights of 70,000
citizens prior to the 2004 election. \ \ Timothy needs to be
arrested for high treason, for fixing an election, or instead,
what? we'll make him a State US Attorney in bushville?


kill all of them

/ / In his testimony on Wednesday, Pfc. Bradley Mason of
Company C said that on May 8, the night before the raid,
Colonel Steele told soldiers to ``kill all of them.'' Three
other soldiers gave similar testimony. \ \

I would offer rewards for more soldiers to come forward. Why?
because there truly is, no honor among thieves. Every bushite
soldier in Iraq for the liar neocon is minimum, a purposeless
dumfuked cowardly thief. See? if you offer a reward, and
they don't take it, their 'fellow' bushite, kill'em for it,
right? why take the risk it'll cash in over your worthless
life? For, who can trust a lying bushite nazi savage?
certainly not a lying bushite nazi savage. In other words:
speak against committing war criminal acts of lawless
aggression in Iraq for Bush, as CLEARLY un-American, and I'll
try to forgive you as human. Or, I guess you'll kill
yourselves in mutually muted total contempt for this universal
life as actually worth something.

When you see and hear on video, sexually dysfunctional, as
sadistically satanic grunt puke pro-bush soldiers moaning,
while deliberately killing innocent defenseless Family People
running for our dying lives from a holy church, or as just
simply anyone standing near the side of the road, then, my
friend, you'll begin to understand what evil actually is.
And, what needs to be done to seriously save ourselves.
Seriously. Justice must be won sooner than later.

Five Star American General Johnny Wizard will train American
Soldiers to recognize such demonic behaviors in combat as
worthy of immediate frag to defend the lives of truly fellow
honorable soldiers. Soldiers ACTually, committed to freedom
from godless satanic dumfuk tyranny of the antichrist demon,
Mr. evil personified, the UN-ELECTED 911 TERRORIST, George
Walker Bush and CO..

/ / "He realized that they had killed these three [innocent]
detainees, and in that moment, yes, he decided to help his
[ungodly murderously nazi fascist] squad members, [escape
Freedom through Law wisely practiced]" Gorecki said. \ \

There is much self evident truth hovering above the realities
of such statements. For the exampled fact, that he did
actually use a weapon against 'his' troops, 'to save them
punishment', says a great deal more than they contend we hear.
Now really, how ''we be dying as godless war criminals for
demon LIAR Bush'' dumb is that? (and how does such an evil
thing steal our military command in an un-defended Johnny's
America? as a dying for bushite tyranny, irrational neocon
war wanker? like holy fu-k..) Remember: evil is real.

The time is now.

Let Johnny Wizard on Coast to Coast everywhere god damn them
man, get US on the PUBLIC radio to make something better of
ourselves by communicating freely. Do it!

Praise Jesus, and pass the ammo forthrightly. I'm a hungry man.

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The Iraqi "Government" has arrested the woman raped by three Iraqi
policemen
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=31340

/ / Janabi shocked Iraq last month when she appeared on
Al-Jazeera television and accused three policemen of detaining
her and then raping her in their garrison.

Her story earned a fiery rebuttal from the Shia Prime
Minister, who praised the policemen and promised to promote
them. His office released a medical report allegedly taken
from a US military combat hospital that said the woman had
been beaten [..] \ \

Look, pro-bush anti-Americans are enemies of every Life.


The Iraqi "Government" has arrested the woman raped by three Iraqi
policemen
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=31340

/ / The Iraqi Government has raided the homes of eight Sunni
MPs in the last week, Salim Abdullah told The Times.

A senior Shia official said raids on the homes of Sunni MPs
Khalaf al-Ayan and Dhafir al-Ani had found bomb-making
materials. \ \

This is simple bushite tyranny of the dumbest order. No MP,
beit pro or anti, is going to conveniently have such things
inside TWO ADRESSES! Not impossible mind you, but highly
un-believable. But that's what you get for bushite liar
tyranny, a bunch of godless war criminals stealing our
democratic virtues by flagrant idiocy.

Look, pro-bush anti-Americans are enemies of every Life.

-

US officer "upset" Iraqi suspects taken alive, court hears
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/14/wsoldier114.xml

/ / A US military officer sounded "pretty mad and upset" that
a group of soldiers had taken suspected Iraqi insurgents alive
during a raid in which they had been told to kill all military-aged
males, a court was told Tuesday. \ \

Come on now, who wouldn't take great joy in destroying any and all
such ungodly bushite hatred for Humanity in this light of day, eh?
In fact,why don't American Congessmen, who believe in defending
Liberty,
campaign JUST that? Why not??? Is it because they're LIARS?

Like Coast to Coast's fun guy, he ain't taking our screams,
George "pro Arab child Killer" Norry??

Rapists and torturers must not be allowed to rule our pirated
authority through defending the further 'escape' of the
bushmob for 911.

/ / As a result, the Defense Department put up a Web site in
2005 designed to clarify [to the dumfuk bushite demon liars]
that sexual assault is illegal [...] \ \

Rumsfeld, as it was told on Oprah, doesn't want any arrests of
bushite rapists though, so has worked to deny Justice for
female grunts by denying all requests to the 'Pentagon' from
American Police Departments. [and you thought he was fired!]
Why? because, they, the very weakest intellectually of
America's - do what they're told teen kids, ALL don't have
rights anyone in bushite corporate america is willingly strong
enough as a dedicated Leader to speak in demanding defense of,
for innocence.. Why? because they soullessly advocate
continuing bushite war crimes for a stolen dollar. Stuck that
way apparently. Support my rise to speaking publicly for open
challenge on the rights and privileges of all concerned
parties. Rapists and torturers must not be allowed to rule
our pirated authority through defending the further 'escape'
of the bushmob for 911. I would like to form a global posse
of sleuthers to identify on international open line radio, all
guilty INDIVIDUAL parties by evidenced conclusion on our
highest of priority issues, and get started with the nothing
to hide from anyone global arrests, with PUBLIC court
proceedings, done all for our public interest as the refusing
to further fall as innocent murder victims.

Let's save some lives, what do you say guys?

Or, are we going to go further with this: George W. Bush:
"If the absence of violence is victory, no one will ever win."

YOU

"If the absence of violence is victory, no one will ever win."
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/24652.php


I know, it's seems odd that I am, at the same time, offering
answers to any question on the science of God as is pertains
to Justice measured, but this is just who I am to be conscious
man. So, if we can get over the shock of me being so
especially normal, maybe we can then realize, I have some
simple good old ideas that transcend through time by rational
understanding communicable between any two people. I am not a
"miracle worker" to all those I advise to not eat Aspartame
because it's a poison that also makes your body crave
un-needed carbs, that will likely convert to more unless fat.
So, it slowly kills you, while making you fatter than you need
be along the dead end journey faithing in "the system". So,
why do some do it religiously? Who cares (for now) but to
say, our governments are failing US miserably. I spoke
personally with one of the head scientists in Canada at
"Health Food and Safety", and he told me the scientific
analysis done by reputable scientists I found freely available
repeatedly on the internet years ago, was completely true.
(It breaks down to formaldehyde, and methanol (a slow lethal
poison), among other shockers. Poison. P-o-i-s-o-n-s in our
food stuffs. Poisons.) However, he could take no action to
defend Canadians "officially" because we, Canadians, have our
corporate interest news departments completely refusing to
defend ourselves from corporate exploitation anywhere, and as
natural consequence, we, as the dying world, would together
unrepresented, probably lose a law suit from mutant Monsanto
through the self inflicted bounds of OUR censored WTO program.
- instituted through the top secretly mastered puppet people
persons of the 'unseen' NWO I guess.

I'm telling you, we need me as King.

Look: Aegis's workforce, for American PAYING profit, has been
publicly disclosed through CNN to be shooting people in Iraq
indiscriminately for your money, and when the Pentagon was
contacted by Nick Roberts about what would be done, they
responded, nothing would be done by Johnny's America but to
increase the multi-hundred-million dollar contract with demon
enemy Tim Spicer to continue. Now... why you ask? Because
the neocon liars, steal money by lying to cowardly American
kids about what they mindlessly, without thought, give their
souls for. Tim Spicer openly hires South African goons to
commit hardships for American GIs to die without end for, in
lawless tyranny. Peace sells less money for the neocon war
profiteers to murder the innocent American as. (Iraqis,
along with the rest of Humanity's Men, WILL eventually learn
this truth, or life for you will end.) As an Arab hating
bushite, (like what you'd find as a publicly proud practiced
hatred for all Humanity, by an Amerkan dumfuk soldier in
Google's alt.religion.islam), they say nothing for Freedom by
Justice, but root themselves to Spicer's monsters who like
killing black guys, as world renown mass murdering racist nazi
filth. That's why zionist Israel loves them so much.


Look: Somebody stole four trillion dollars out of the Pentagon.

Look: Greenspan STOLE four trillion American dollars for his
international billionaire banker friends before 'leaving'.
[Asian market chaos SCAM]

Look: Lotteries everywhere in North America are running the
same PROVEN criminal scams that cost US ALL billions and
billions of public dollars that, without question, (as
MATHEMATICAL FACT), regressively destroy our dying
communities. CRIMINAL. [Solution: 100 percent cash payouts.]

Look: corporate magic TV people couldn't care less for US if
they tried. Ahmad funded Atta. bin Laden claimed he played
no part in 911. And video of steel running like water moments
before the first tower fell is freely available for download
all over the place. CBC, CNN, FOXnews et al. know the
Bushmob did 911 in other words. I've spoken to most of those
'in control', and I'm telling you, they're losers, and they
know it. Remember: they'll censor my voice to send YOUR
child to die for no better good, or reason understood, while
entertaining. Weekend TV in North America totally sucks.
Now, why do YOU think that is brother? The more powerless
they make US, the more money the neocon zionists can murder
Humanity for, thinking they might just get away from this if
we continue to take no action in defense of anyone as God
would will. Let me be Your servant King, by backing me up some
here. We need some dollars to eat, and I need it now before we
starve to deaths.

Look: Barbra Bodine did the Cole bombing. [the Cole whose crew has
been completely overhauled. Where are the many who served there NOW
eh?]

Look: America has kidnapped countless thousands without evidence to
be held against OUR will indefinitely. [Like the NOT Jewish Israel]

Look: innocent people are being tortured to death by those who hide
OPENLY in America's uniform. [let US hunt them down for GOD, despite
what demon lies they argue give them as Satanic to avoid "The Law".]

Look: the bushmob war profiteers STOLE the Iraqi Development fund

Look: the more than 100,000 security contractors for Bush are
officially
deemed lawlessly unaccountable to anyone - THINK ABOUT IT


Look: Negroponte PERSONALLY stole the Iraqi emergency water provision
money

Look: Sattler OPENLY committed the worst war crimes of all Humanity's
history

Look: I am a guy that is regularly denied public access to
our national radio programs because I speak documented truths
consistently on behalf of real honorable soldiers and police
officers. I agree with most, if not all facts Alex Jones
importantly brings to our attention, however, I almost as
often, disagree with his conclusions.


Support my cause, which is your cause.

King Johnny Wizard
President and CEO

-

Senior Military analyst, Rob Riggle "In the field John, the
soldiers are out there, every day, risking their lives, for a
common Ideal: that none of the President's decisions be
questioned."

This is more true than a bushite would admit before murdering
a honorable father to rape his young child, like Lcpl
Boudreaux freely confesses. Boudreaux will tell you, openly,
you have to murder the Arab father of the Arab child your
planning to rape, because if you don't, that Father will spend
the rest of this life, hunting you down in the streets to rip
you limb from limb for it.

Let US, me and the few, proud, and the brave, bring that
Father's intent to bare on lancing Boudreaux, and any other
who would sing in it's ungodly defense.

Zionist american media celebs do tell, everyday, soldiers for
the neocon are all Heroes. (True Hero worship has long gone
dead, and simple common respect for the starving man of Johnny
Wizard is almost entirely illusionary, but for the love of God
has for me, the Son, to never stop caring religiously.) While
McCainites advocate imprisoning any (chosen) man in America
(with our familiar "Exploitation Units"), who has a picture
anywhere on their computer of a fully clothed teen, while
denying this following censored video of children being beat
to death for fun and profit is real. When I watch only thirty
seconds, my rage as a god increases beyond anything anyone of
Humanity can even contemplate, and i start crushing bricks in
my hands with fury, twist iron bars into pretzels, all as a
foolishly feeble attempt to personally have killed those
present in this video. Then I cry. I cried for these
children present in this video the first time I watched it,
and I cried last night briefly, before stopping it.

Please, my brothers, join me in hunting each and every bushite
present in this video down for death. For a Love of God that
will never end, until we have seen each and every responsible
child killing bushite present brought to true Justice extreme.


British Soldiers beat unarmed Children </watch?v=l2zZkbhc77M>
01:55
British soldiers beat unarmed children.
Even after they plead them to stop they continue and
the cameraman seems to be having an org
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Nickname for Apache helicopter Reply with quote

In message <11R3i.392032$6P2.79271 (AT) newsfe16 (DOT) phx>, Leadfoot
<spammerssusck (AT) nospam (DOT) org> writes
Quote:
What I heard was that they had done everything on paper to navalise the
AH-64 and then made an offer to the Marines but that was as far as it
went, PAPER.

The UK Apaches are getting qualified for maritime ops offf HMS Ocean or
the CVSs, but that's not full marinisation: rather, detachment as part
of a Tailored Air Group for a specific mission.

Quote:
My understanding was as far as navalisation goes it was easier to stick
with the Cobra and upgrade the weapons and avionics than to make an an
Apache that could withstand long periods in a salt water environment.
I'm guessing but the blades were probably the biggest hang up. You'd
have to mod them to fold and make sure they could handle a salt water
environment.

I think the Apache's blades fold (for air transport, at least) but as
you point out, getting the airframe able to stand up to prolonged
exposure to salt spray is a seriously non-trivial issue.

Again with UK experience, we deploy Joint Force Harrier GR.7s to sea for
specific deployments, but for a committed force we wanted the Sea
Harrier; which wasn't just a case of putting a radar in the nose, but
some surprisingly wide-ranging structural changes such as getting rid of
all the magnesium components (while light and stiff, I'm assured it rots
very fast in a maritime environment)

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Nickname for Apache helicopter Reply with quote

On May 20, 12:40 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 19, 9:03?pm, "Ed" <a...@nospamcox.net> wrote:





"Jim Beaver" <jumble...@prodigy.spam> wrote in message

news:TLO3i.3718$4Y.2776 (AT) newssvr19 (DOT) news.prodigy.net...> An online article suggests, without citation or reference, that the U.S.
Marine Corps nicknamed its Apache helicopter (through three models) as
"The
Duke," presumably in honor of actor John Wayne.

I cannot find corroboration for this statement in web searches. ?Has
anyone
here with either first-hand or citable evidence to support it ever heard
this story?

Jim Beaver

Not trying to be ignorant here, but if this is the AH64 Apache, isn't the
Army the only user, not the Marines??

And old article from 2003 on the Apache and its vunerabilites which is
still valid in 2007:http://www.slate.com/id/2081906/

Iraqi insurgents call the Longbow version the "Broken Bow" and they
are not completely unjustified. This is supposed to be the premiere
armored attack helo on the frontline battlefield forward of our AFVs
and infantry. Instead, they need USAF air cover and rarely are far
from the troops. When they do go out by themselves they are vunerable
to simple AK-47 and RPG fire. Many have been downed and a large amount
damaged enough not to be air worthy until after extensive repairs- and
this is against untrained mobs with small arms. Imagine fighting the
Russians, Chinese, or anyone with equal firepower, missiles, accurate
radar, and emerging anti-helo technologies...


A guy I know was an Apache pilot with the NC NG. This was in
1990-91 and they were disappointed they weren't deployed to Saudi
Arabia. One thing he said stuck with me. It seems the Apaches at his
base got broken into a couple of times so they put padlocks on the
canopies. He said one guy unlocked it and just laid the lock next to
the canopy. He forgot about it and when he took off, the lock flew
back, hit something in the tail rotor, and brought the Apache down.
I have no idea whether this was true, but he said his squadron was
pretty sure the Apaches weren't "small arms proof up to 20mm" as
advertised.

Quote:

The "Patch-Me" helo needs help...

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: Nickname for Apache helicopter Reply with quote

On May 20, 11:53 pm, "Leadfoot" <spammerssu...@nospam.org> wrote:
Quote:
deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:1179696217.277910.126610 (AT) x18g2000prd (DOT) googlegroups.com...





On May 20, 12:40 am, Rob Arndt <teuton...@aol.com> wrote:
On May 19, 9:03?pm, "Ed" <a...@nospamcox.net> wrote:

"Jim Beaver" <jumble...@prodigy.spam> wrote in message

news:TLO3i.3718$4Y.2776 (AT) newssvr19 (DOT) news.prodigy.net...> An online article
suggests, without citation or reference, that the U.S.
Marine Corps nicknamed its Apache helicopter (through three models)
as
"The
Duke," presumably in honor of actor John Wayne.

I cannot find corroboration for this statement in web searches. ?Has
anyone
here with either first-hand or citable evidence to support it ever
heard
this story?

Jim Beaver

Not trying to be ignorant here, but if this is the AH64 Apache, isn't
the
Army the only user, not the Marines??

And old article from 2003 on the Apache and its vunerabilites which is
still valid in 2007:http://www.slate.com/id/2081906/

Iraqi insurgents call the Longbow version the "Broken Bow" and they
are not completely unjustified. This is supposed to be the premiere
armored attack helo on the frontline battlefield forward of our AFVs
and infantry. Instead, they need USAF air cover and rarely are far
from the troops. When they do go out by themselves they are vunerable
to simple AK-47 and RPG fire. Many have been downed and a large amount
damaged enough not to be air worthy until after extensive repairs- and
this is against untrained mobs with small arms. Imagine fighting the
Russians, Chinese, or anyone with equal firepower, missiles, accurate
radar, and emerging anti-helo technologies...

A guy I know was an Apache pilot with the NC NG. This was in
1990-91 and they were disappointed they weren't deployed to Saudi
Arabia. One thing he said stuck with me. It seems the Apaches at his
base got broken into a couple of times so they put padlocks on the
canopies. He said one guy unlocked it and just laid the lock next to
the canopy. He forgot about it and when he took off, the lock flew
back, hit something in the tail rotor, and brought the Apache down.
I have no idea whether this was true, but he said his squadron was
pretty sure the Apaches weren't "small arms proof up to 20mm" as
advertised.

The only thing "small arms proof up to 20mm" is the cockpit. It's similar
in concept to the titanium bathtub found in the A-10. Although there is a
lot more plexiglass

I seem to remember reading that the rotors were supposedly 20mm
proof.....
Quote:

Was he able to land safely?

Apparently he never got very high....pretty much did some ground
spins...torque is a biatch.

Quote:





The "Patch-Me" helo needs help...

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Re: Nickname for Apache helicopter Reply with quote

In message <1179780296.157558.180610 (AT) y2g2000prf (DOT) googlegroups.com>,
deemsbill (AT) aol (DOT) com writes
Quote:
On May 20, 11:53 pm, "Leadfoot" <spammerssu...@nospam.org> wrote:
deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message
I have no idea whether this was true, but he said his squadron was
pretty sure the Apaches weren't "small arms proof up to 20mm" as
advertised.

The only thing "small arms proof up to 20mm" is the cockpit. It's similar
in concept to the titanium bathtub found in the A-10. Although there is a
lot more plexiglass

I seem to remember reading that the rotors were supposedly 20mm
proof.....

The usual claim I've seen is that the Apache is designed to survive a
couple of hits from up to 23mm HEI (I assume with ZSU-23-4s in mind) -
that's not "23mm proof", but rather "won't crash immediately and can
limp back to base for repairs". Stuff like the gearbox able to run dry
for thirty minutes before eating itself, that kind of thing.

I'm sure there are still spots where one golden bullet can bring it
down, but it's a tough bird as helicopters go.

--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: I served? Reply with quote

On Dec 11, 1:04 pm, "niceguy" <nice...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:
What's with these e-mails?

They're just to lure the unsuspecting to a web site, in other words, spam.

--
sjs
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: I served? Reply with quote

On Dec 13, 5:35 am, "St. John Smythe" <sin...@n4vu.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Dec 11, 1:04 pm, "niceguy" <nice...@nospam.com> wrote:

What's with these e-mails?

They're just to lure the unsuspecting to a web site, in other words, spam..

--
sjs

google otis, you'll get a few interesting links about him.

supposedly some of the veterans groups have warned about him but
that's a secondary source, haven't looked for a group original on
him.

he is a bit much, but some of his links as far as news are
interesting.

a few of the people who have looked for him have some interesting
comments, almost as good as the guy who wrote up and photographed all
the 'camera' stores in NYC, the best and the worst. A few of those
photos make hole in the wall look good. like everything on the
internet, buyer beware.
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